McLaren MP4-26 Mercedes

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Pup wrote:Well, one can't be a McLaren fan for long before admitting that the team invariably seems a bit optimistic about what can be accomplished at a field test. Whether that's because they are indeed optimistic or because they're terrible at organizing their testing or a little of each one can't say with any certainty. But it's unfortunately true that they rarely accomplish what they've set out to do. You only have to look at the testing kms to confirm that. There's no team with McLaren's resources who say, year after year, "we're only going to do half of our allotted testing, just because."
At last years Barcelona test McLaren did many more laps than Red Bull, sometimes double on a given day. Look how that panned out.

It isn't just about the sheer number of laps, it's about the quality of the data you collect with them. If you make a small setup change you don't need to run a full race simulation before you know if it's having the desired effect. Likewise if you're still effectively shaking the car down and gathering data for processing back in the lab then you don't need to be pounding round, instead you set up your tests, run as many laps as required, and then reset for the next test.

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okibcn wrote:RB and McLaren seem to be lost trying to find the hidden technology that could cut down that extra second per lap instead of doing the last fine tunning of their solution. The rest of the teams are working in fine tunning their own technology without any major modification but doing small improvements (Renault, Mercedes, Williams) while topping the scoreboards, or they have solid technology package in the garage ready for the first race while they get used to the new Pirelli "shoes" and test the reliability of the car (Ferrari).

After all those changes in the RB7 and MP4-26 we haven't seen any sensible performance improvement so we are just seeing that they are trying to find a key technology in a desperate effort. Otherwise I do not understad why they need to test so many options too close to the first race leaving no time for fine tunning the whole car for the final technology and the new tyres.

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Oki
You are impressively bad at interpreting F1 testing.

McLaren have a radically new concept and are kind of a week behind other teams. They are trying to get as much data as possible. It's not worth reading into their performance because they are running a very tight and busy test schedule. They want to try a lot of different parts and have the data from every combination they have so that they can (in my opinion) be on top of their development this year (they were oddly behind in this last year, letting Ferrari handily out-do them in the last half of the season).

Red Bull on the other hand came out of the gates with an impressive and strong car. They are a week ahead of where they normally are (they usually debut late) so they are also concentrating on gathering data (methinks to help iron out the reliability woes that hampered them in 2010). In terms of pace, everyone from journos to drivers will tell you that RBR are being cagey and that the RB7 is a beast of a car.

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Not sure if you are still trying to locate the exhausts but you need to give up looking for ovals, pipes etc, they're hidden on purpose. Look for the evidence of heat and this is it. Massive heat blissing on the bargeboards (both sides are identical) and on the vertical side pod strafes.

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Sluggabed wrote:Not sure if you are still trying to locate the exhausts but you need to give up looking for ovals, pipes etc, they're hidden on purpose. Look for the evidence of heat and this is it. Massive heat blissing on the bargeboards (both sides are identical) and on the vertical side pod strafes.
Interesting concept, are you goonie in disguise?

Your theory would indicate an exhaust in line with the wheel, possibly out of those duct shaped thingies that seem to be behind each front wheel? The ones disguised as brake cooling?

... or perhaps that's just dirt?

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Sluggabed

How do you explain the "paint bubbling high up on the outer strake then? What you're seeing is kickup wear from the front tires.

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They want to try a lot of different parts and have the data from every combination they have so that they can (in my opinion) be on top of their development this year
It is even more important since private testing during season are nearly forbidden (4 day tests on straight line...)

Besides, McLaren are maybe not refining their last-year concept, but they are refining their CFD and start to have a lot of data coming from different concepts.

Just my 2 cents but it could be a company strategy for mid-term future. Unlike Ferrari who "just copy" the others and RedBull who only rely on Newey...

@Sluggabed: it's only marbles. Not a heat evidence.
If you're looking for heat evidence, one of the better way is to catch heat protection.

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You don't think they are under the driver above the splitter do you?, if you notice the sidepod inlets have an extra slot near the tub, and inline with that is a bulge moving forwards along the cockpit. Maybe the slot is for some cooling and the exhausts come along side the cockpit and exit under the driver above the splitter.


Just an idea, I don't really believe it myself just that it would explain why we can't see them.

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TBH, and this is just my own opinion... That looks like Rubber from the Pirelli's rather than bubbling paint...
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That extra inlet on each side, is right beside the new centralized/combined KERS unit, I'd suggest auxiliary cooling to supplement the below airbox cooling vent.

Sticking an exhaust there, in that airflow, just looks like a complicated way to build a radiator cooker.


The scorchmarks, do kinda look like burnt paint, but they also do kinda look like tyre-splatter, and since reports suggest that the new Pirellis shed and marble like nobodies business, I'm placing my bets on it being melted rubber thrown back from the fronts.

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how can it be rubber when they've done next to no stints, the first 3 days (when these pics came out" they only did 1-2 lap runs before pitting.
not only that but it doesnt look like rubber at all, it looks like the paints melted off.

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Timed laps does not equal laps run, early test days are mostly dominated by installation, hence untimed, laps.

Could you please mark an X on any of the photos where the exhaust would have to be venting from such that it only contacts and scorches those specific areas.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
Shaddock wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote: If it was an A-level in the last 10 years, probably no...
You'd better make that 20 years, or anytime before it went modular, 10 years ago it was still a joke.
Mine was a little over 20 years ago... 8)
Mine was 11 years ago...but thinking about it, I don't recall us ever actually covering aircraft wings...I think that might hark back to the Principles Of Flight lessons during my time in the ATC which would be more like 15 years ago...
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Anyone know what is this bulge?

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Mine was 11 years ago...but thinking about it, I don't recall us ever actually covering aircraft wings...I think that might hark back to the Principles Of Flight lessons during my time in the ATC which would be more like 15 years ago...
I was still teaching Physics back then, and don't let them kid you when they say standards haven't dropped and exams gotten easier.

I don't think it's blistering on the paint, if you blow the photo's up it does look like rubber/tar on the bodywork.

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feynman wrote:That extra inlet on each side, is right beside the new centralized/combined KERS unit, I'd suggest auxiliary cooling to supplement the below airbox cooling vent.

Sticking an exhaust there, in that airflow, just looks like a complicated way to build a radiator cooker.
The radiators aren't near there any more though ;)

Reading the AMUS article on the MP4-26 kinda disproves my theory anyway though.
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