BMW m10/m12 turbo specs please

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Thanks for the links and history

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It was used in the IMSA, Mclaren BMW 320 driven by David Hobbs in the late seventies (same F1 commentator on speed TV).

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http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/09 ... turbo.aspx
The engine is the famous 2L M12 block which was later used to power the Brabham F1 cars to their victories. Power is quoted at 650 hp @ 9,000 rpm although I assume more was available at the twist of the boost knob.
For Sure!!

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so what is it that they did to squeeze out another 400 hp. wasn't the f1 bt55 like 1000-1200 hp. cool article

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hksdrager wrote:so what is it that they did to squeeze out another 400 hp. wasn't the f1 bt55 like 1000-1200 hp. cool article
Tightened the hose clamps on the intake.......

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:I heard this before.

Crazy how a USED production lump can be pushing out that sort of power. There must have been some serious amount of fireworks put into that block to do that...

80psi? Thats incredible :o
F1 turbo engine were designed to do only 3 laps in qualifying spec: outlap, qualifying lap, inlap.
Back to the pit, several buckets of water direclty on the turbo to cool it and mechanics changed it in order to do another qualifying run 20-30 minutes later.

The old good days :D

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Well I was able to find out that the kkk turbo they used was a k36. Which does give some info so thats a start.

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This engine is surrounded with myths and exaggerations. The engines were for instance not built using old blocks, but new ones, machined to reduce their weight.

The boost pressures cited are always given as absolute pressures, so 5.5 bar absolute is the same as 4.5 bar boost. This 4.5 bar boost was also only a flash reading during the 1986 Monza qualification. That engine didn't even survive the whole qualification lap. It was that flash reading that was the grounds of all the above 1300 hp claims (which in some stories have become 1500 hp). In race trim the engine didn't produce more than 600-900 hp depending on which season we're talking about. The boost pressure also increased over the years, up to 3.8 bar absolute (2.8 bar boost) in race trim. The turbochargers also changed from year to year and even race to race. The Garrett turbocharger used was also not a production item, but a turbocharger developed specifically for F1.

The Garrett turbochargers had several features that wasn't availible on production turbochargers. The impeller was for instance machined from a forged 7075 aluminum billet, having a design suitable for very high pressure ratios, including a transonic inducer. The turbine housing was cast in thinwall HK30 - a stainless steel that Garrett had previous experience with from gas turbine engines. The turbine was cast in IDM 5322 and electron beam welded to a shaft having a tri-lobe pattern for the fitting of the compressor wheel. So, these racing turbochargers were not your typical production turbocharger.

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Interesting. Sources? Sounds like there's some good reading out there, or do you know someone (or were you) closely involved with these engines?

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Edis wrote:This engine is surrounded with myths and exaggerations. The engines were for instance not built using old blocks, but new ones, machined to reduce their weight.

The boost pressures cited are always given as absolute pressures, so 5.5 bar absolute is the same as 4.5 bar boost. This 4.5 bar boost was also only a flash reading during the 1986 Monza qualification. That engine didn't even survive the whole qualification lap. It was that flash reading that was the grounds of all the above 1300 hp claims (which in some stories have become 1500 hp). In race trim the engine didn't produce more than 600-900 hp depending on which season we're talking about. The boost pressure also increased over the years, up to 3.8 bar absolute (2.8 bar boost) in race trim. The turbochargers also changed from year to year and even race to race. The Garrett turbocharger used was also not a production item, but a turbocharger developed specifically for F1.

The Garrett turbochargers had several features that wasn't availible on production turbochargers. The impeller was for instance machined from a forged 7075 aluminum billet, having a design suitable for very high pressure ratios, including a transonic inducer. The turbine housing was cast in thinwall HK30 - a stainless steel that Garrett had previous experience with from gas turbine engines. The turbine was cast in IDM 5322 and electron beam welded to a shaft having a tri-lobe pattern for the fitting of the compressor wheel. So, these racing turbochargers were not your typical production turbocharger.
I read an interview with Gordan Murray and he talks about the engine and the ‘Hitler’ chips they used to fit during Quali. He states that the engine blocks were new, but then left outside in the yard for a year, before being prepped for racing.

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Hi there

sorry for my bad english.
It is only a story that the block is a stock part - only the first
version of the engines was like that -> up to 600 HP.

Then they used a special material a CrNi steel.
Everything inside, the main bearings, the water system is different
from the stock part.

kind regards
Peter