Spygate, again (from No Angel: The Secret Life of Bernie E.)

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

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He's a grown ass man, there should be no trickle effect of emotions. You get in the car drive it and beat your teammate.

No I disagree. Emotions happen all the time, it even gets the better of your man Hamilton. I would be most interested to see what would have happened if Alonso came to Mclaren as the rookie, with Hamilton the double world champ.
Would Hamilton have laid idly by if he was Mclarens contracted number one with Alonso seemingly equal?
I doubt that very much ringo, even you have to admit that as precocious as his talent is, he still has some pretty glaring flaws when put under pressure.

He is human at the end of the day.

[ringo]

So if i murder someone i'm justified because i came off my rocker?
Emotions are no excuse.

I guess Felipe Massa is a robot then because he sucks it up?
After so many years in ferrari, then told to move over by your trusted race engineer, all because Alonso wants your hard earned win. To add to that Luca thinks a different Massa is driving the car.
That's worse than anything that ever happened at mclaren in 2007.
Never did Ron Denis ask Alonso to give way for Hamilton.
That's as low as it will ever get in terms of favouritism and Felipe was able to keep his composure and focus his energy for 2011.
Alonso was never exposed to anything like that. It was all in his head. He was treated fairly and that was his problem.

There's something called self control and civility. If you're not as good as you think you are, you just have to accept it and take a different approach to beating your teammate the next year.


Hamilton has proven to be a much better teammate than Alonso, he dealt with Button pretty well and also dealt well with Heiki. A 2xchamp Hamilton or anyone for that matter, would have no problem with a rookie Alonso. The situation simply wont happen. Alonso is a very very special case as a team leader, and Hamilton is a very very special case as rookie.

Hamilton is a pretty fair driver as well, he talks gibberish most times, but you wont see him doing any nasty stuff like Alonso to slow teammates or force the team to give him right of way pass a leading teammate. He would rather a fair fight than an ill gotten gain.
When emotions get the better of him, it's about him and his strategy, not about his teammate.

[vall]

I guess Felipe Massa is a robot then because he sucks it up?
After so many years in ferrari, then told to move over by your trusted race engineer, all because Alonso wants your hard earned win. To add to that Luca thinks a different Massa is driving the car.
That's worse than anything that ever happened at mclaren in 2007.
Never did Ron Denis ask Alonso to give way for Hamilton.
That's as low as it will ever get in terms of favouritism and Felipe was able to keep his composure and focus his energy for 2011.
Alonso was never exposed to anything like that. It was all in his head. He was treated fairly and that was his problem.

In 2009 Alonso made a comment that if Heikki does what the team wants him to and follows, then will stay at McLaren forever. Then Ron was fast to come out and say Alosnos should not speak much because he is breaching the terms of the contract termination. Who knows, may be Alonso was asked to do something he did not want to, like to support Hamiltom last 2-3 races? How knows. And we do not really know what were really the internal dealing at Ferrari, may be it was agreed beforehand that if they run 1-2, Alonso should win it because his WDC chamces were much better that Massa's?

There's something called self control and civility. If you're not as good as you think you are, you just have to accept it and take a different approach to beating your teammate the next year.

Hamilton is a pretty fair driver as well, he talks gibberish most times, but you wont see him doing any nasty stuff like Alonso to slow teammates or force the team to give him right of way pass a leading teammate. He would rather a fair fight than an ill gotten gain.
When emotions get the better of him, it's about him and his strategy, not about his teammate.

wait a second! Wasn't Heikki told to let LH in Germany (I think it was that race) and possibly Silverstone 2008. Also did you forget LH's nasty moves in the rain in Monza 2008? The moves to Petrov last year?

[bot6]

The funniest thing about Alonso was the way he talked about Kubica in the little "get well" message all the teams taped for him at the last test.

He said essentially that Robert K is the only other driver in the paddock who understands him because they are alike: they are not there to make friends, they are only there to win.

Well, with the slight difference that Alonso has alienated pretty much every teammate he has had, while Kubica is generally liked by his teammates and the paddock in general.

So even in such a moment, Alonso could not refrain from saying something stupid and demeaning.

He might be a decent driver, but... actually, the only time he did not recieve preferential treatment, he got smashed by a rookie. No wonder he's ready to blackmail his boss to get it...

[Goran2812]

what does Kubica have to do with any of this?
Alonso was one of the first guys to come to the hospital when Robert got hurt,and what he said of him, was because they are best friends in a way, no mather what happens on track...
Stop with the silly talk and don't use every possible excuse to attack the guy.
He was a 2x WDC, feeling alone and threaten in that McLaren, being a spaniard deffinitely does not help, they are hard and temperamental people, and the fact of the matter is, none of us really has any idea about what was going on behind those garage doors. And as for Germany 2010, how many of us can be sure and say that there wasn't a pre race meeting where they put up a deal that Felipe should let him pass if Alonso was faster? And please don't bring up "why didn't he pass him if he was so much faster?" we all know how hard it was to pass in F1...
And this book,that brought all this up to the surface again, how many of you, put aside your feeling towards Alonso, are 100% certain that it's not complete rubbish and a sensational way to get to the center of attention?
I admire Alonso as a driver, but I do admit he has a bad primadona personality sometimes, but all this talk is really becoming annoying and boring and just a way to talk dirty and get rid of the frustration for those haters that have nothing objectivelly to say...

[ringo]

Whether Germany was planned or not. It was preferential treatment.
Felipe was clearly not comfortable with it, but he was very gracious after that unfortunate experience.
So it is in fact humanly possible to have some self control.

In what way was Alonso threatened Goran and from who?
what did they say to him and what did they do to his car and race strategy to put him at a disadvantage?

[Goran2812]

You didn't understand what I meant with the threatened part... Or maybe I didn't write it as I should have,sorry if that was the case,english is not my no.1 language :/ I didn't mean that they said something to him,sabotaged him or anything like that, just that they probably had "much more love" for Hamilton than for him... lol
Knowing how stubborn and a crybaby Alonso can be, and that he came to the team as a proven 2 time champ, he was probably expecting full support, but probably did not get all that he wanted, and Hamilton not letting him through in hungary probably made him explode and do all that stupid s.h.i.t he did after that... It's all speculation, as is a bunch of posts about this subject,but that's how I see things...
we'll see how he behaves this year... if he continues to be a prick then i give up... lol

[vall]

Whether Germany was planned or not. It was preferential treatment.
Felipe was clearly not comfortable with it, but he was very gracious after that unfortunate experience. So it is in fact humanly possible to have some self control.

surely enough it was, but quite understandable action by Ferrari. They decided the driver with much better chances for the WDC to get more points. I call it team strategy. The same way Heikki was letting Hamilton pass in 2008. The WDC in 2008 was decided by one point, the point that was gifted to Hamiltom in Germany, no?

In what way was Alonso threatened Goran and from who?
what did they say to him and what did they do to his car and race strategy to put him at a disadvantage?

I've read an interview with Alosno where he mentioned that late in 2007 when he was behind in the standings, he often wanted different strategy, but was denied by McLaren.

[Pup]

A recently published biography about Bernie Ecclestone has brought Alonso's acrimonious year at the Woking-based team back into the spotlight.

According to The Star, Tom Bowers' book "No Angel: The Secret Life Of Bernie Ecclestone" reveals that the Spaniard asked former team boss Ron Dennis to short-fuel Hamilton's car for the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix so that the Brit would run out of fuel and fail to finish the race.

When Spain's AS newspaper asked him for his thoughts on the allegations, Alonso replied: "I do not know, each person tries to do their job. In principle the Ferrari, McLaren and Red Bull drivers are the favourites."

So all cleared up then.

[nipo]

My thoughts exactly, which was why I watched the TERRIBLY DULL Abu Dhabi race with a big grin on my face ...

You got a friend here, dude. I was wildly jumping around, clapping hands and yelling "Yes"s. And I think that was one of the best races I've watched for quite some time.

[nipo]

It's funny how this Alonso topic always comes back, and how Hamilton has always been involved. Whenever someone says something bad about Alonso, ppl would jump and say "but Hamilton is no better".

So?

Hamilton is no better makes Alonso an adorable person? Personally I don't care - Hamilton is off-topic.

Alonso is a crybaby. That's ok.
He expects he is king immediately upon joining any team. Well, that's ok, too.
He expects all the pieces to fall into place to help propell him to his next WDC title. This includes the other side of the garage. Even that's fine, actually.
But at the same time he keeps a distance between himself and the team, and is always ready to get out or even leave the team in wrecks. That's NOT ok for me.

It makes me think of a parasitic bug that can jump from one body to another after sucking the former host dry.

I don't want to organize "proof" of how I arrived at these observations. I've laid them out too many times before.
So let the people who say I'm contaminated by the Brit press (when I'm half a world away and eight hours from Britain) jump in and tell me I'm wrong. I don't have anything "objective" to say anyway.

[mx_tifoso]

This has been covered to death and the same arguments get brought up, by seemingly the same people over and over again.