2011Testing-Barcelona-Circuit de Catalunya- 8th - 12th March

[Pup]

1. Red Bull
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2. Ferrari
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3. McLaren
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4. Renault, Mercedes
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6. Williams, STR, Sauber
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9. Force India
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10. Lotus
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11. Virgin
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12. HRT

you're joking,right? =)

If you're gonna BS, then BS. Next season I'm breaking it down to 1/100ths.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

JohnsonsEvil how can you put Lotus Renault and Torro Rosso in same groupe with bad Mclaren, half of the car from Mercedes, and Williams

The Mclaren may be bad in comparison to the Red Bull, but dont go thinking a Williams is FAR better, because if you think the williams is alot faster than the Mclaren I would say you will be dissapointed.
A bad car for Mclaren means a points finishing car nevertheless.

@SchumacherM,

I knew I left somthing out!
Hmmmm Force India.....where to put them.....I will have to get back to you on that!

@pup
We Want THOUSANDTHS

[Neno]

I'd put Ferrari on top, then Red Bull, then Mercedes, Toro Rosso, Williams, Renault.

what is your source for this order. my source are testing (all testing in 2011)

how is mercedes faster then renault when renault have times in top 3 from Valencia-Jerez, and they have top 3 times when R31 is on track in Barcelona (yesterday Petrov, and Heidfeld...). Mercedes have only good result's first time in Jerez, but in barcelona (his car is in middle). Williams have potential, but also pptential have Torro Rosso and Mclaren.

and if you tell me that renault is top 3 only because low fuel and supersoft tyers you wrong, i can tell same thing for red bull and ferrari

[Neno]

JohnsonsEvil how can you put Lotus Renault and Torro Rosso in same groupe with bad Mclaren, half of the car from Mercedes, and Williams

The Mclaren may be bad in comparison to the Red Bull, but dont go thinking a Williams is FAR better, because if you think the williams is alot faster than the Mclaren I would say you will be dissapointed.
A bad car for Mclaren means a points finishing car nevertheless.

i agree with you mclaren is bad with comparison to the red Bull. but i think williams-torro rosso-mclaren are in same level of competition. only think lotus renault is slightly better from this three teams.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Neno,

Why dont you put your ideas out, and then your reasoning. Maybe that will work?

Renault havent displayed anything special, Heifeld has been very cautious and the team are still getting to grips with their exhaust concept.
I think they have clever solutions, but that doesnt mean its faster. Sauber have done far more for me and their longer stints are very good in comparison to Renault.

Planet Red Bull and then Moon Ferrari are too far for anyone else at this point, Renault included in the midfiled until I see the times to dictate otheriwse(not just fast laps, but consistent ones)

[Goran2812]

If you're gonna BS, then BS. Next season I'm breaking it down to 1/100ths.

@pup
We Want THOUSANDTHS

yeah Pup, what JET said! =D>

but i have to say... renault 1/4 secs down on macca?
and STR even more...

hmmmmm

[Ferraripilot]

I can't see Red Bull being .5 quicker than Ferrari. My guess is we'll see .2-.3 difference between RB to Ferrari and then MB will either be as quick as Ferrari or within .1-.2. Williams may be up there too. Renault is still figuring things out but I believe they will be dicing with Mclaren.

[Neno]

ok, you are half right, half wrong in my opinion. but we agree in one, waiting to see the Australian GP to see final teams standings

[marcush.]

Well we have seen Mercedes ironing out their reliability issues quickly and historically their cars were always reliable.
Mclaren has all it takes to produce something that lasts the distance.

renault andWilliams look still weak in that department methinks..

So if not in absolute speed but in making the finishline at full song i rate Mercedes and Mclaren high ,but at this time Sauber and toro rosso are the dark horses for third spot with Kobayashi maybe already good enough to bag the position that is possible.

[FrukostScones]

my pecking order (combined: speed and tyre degradation):

1. Red Bull
little gap
2. Ferrari
little gap
3. Renault/Sauber
medium gap
4.McLaren/Toro Rosso/Williams
little gap
5.MercedesGP
medium gap
6.Force India
large gap
7. Lotus
medium gap
8. MVirginRacing
little gap
9. HRT???????

[Pup]

but i have to say... renault 1/4 secs down on macca?
and STR even more...

hmmmmm

As a McLaren fan, I'm entitled to bump my expectations by at least a half second.

[ESPImperium]

Todays Stats burst:

Chassis TotalsConstructor Engine Chassis Total Distance
Red Bull-Renault Renault RS27-2011 RB7 6,106.085
McLaren-Mercedes Mercedes FO108Y MP4/25 1,031.724
McLaren-Mercedes Mercedes FO108Y MP4/26 3,124.610
Scuderia Ferrari Ferrari 056 150° 6,548.704
Mercedes GP Mercedes FO108Y MGP W02 5,521.144
Lotus Renault GP Renault RS27-2011 R31 4,301.083
Williams-Cowsorth Cosworth CA2011k FW33 4,351.339
Force India-Mercedes Mercedes FO108Y VJM/03 1,168.992
Force India-Mercedes Mercedes FO108Y VJM/04 3,797.385
Sauber-Ferarri Ferrari 056 C30 5,813.325
STR-Ferarri Ferrari 056 STR6 5,340.061
Team Lotus-Renault Renault RS27-2011 T128 3,463.429
Hispania-Cosworth Cosworth CA2011 F110 1,196.335
Hispania-Cosworth Cosworth CA2011 F111 445.000
Marussia Virgin-Cosworth Cosworth CA2011 VR/01 1,009.584
Marussia Virgin-Cosworth Cosworth CA2011 MVR/02 3,534.630

Team Totals:
Constructor Total Distance
Red Bull-Renault 5,831.375
McLaren-Mercedes 4,299.729
Scuderia Ferrari 6,192.994
Mercedes GP 5,177.159
Lotus Renault GP 4,281.223
Williams-Cowsorth 4,392.629
Force India-Mercedes 5,118.012
Sauber-Ferarri 5,453.395
STR-Ferarri 5,092.176
Team Lotus-Renault 3,076.694
Hispania-Cosworth 1,949.275
Marussia Virgin-Cosworth 4,428.309

Driver Totals:
Driver Total Distance
Sebastian Vettel 2,554.859
Mark Webber 3,276.516
Lewis Hamilton 1,944.982
Jenson Button 1,990.292
Fernando Alonso 2,691.283
Felipe Massa 3,501.711
Michael Schumacher 2,865.268
Nico Rosberg 2,311.891
Robert Kubica 801.000
Nick Heidfeld 939.408
Vitaly Petrov 2,239.711
Rubens Barrichello 2,668.601
Pastor Maldanado 1,724.028
Adrian Sutil 2,191.283
Paul Di Resta 2,498.069
Kamui Kobayashi 2,468.150
Sergio Perez 2,985.245
Sebastian Buemi 2,627.786
Jaime Alguersuari 2,131.612
Jarno Trulli 1,359.772
Heikki Kovalainen 1,228.147
Narain Karthikeyan 1,441.880
Vitantonio Liuzzi 325.850
Timo Glock 1,789.877
Jerome D'Ambrosio 2,638.432
Garry Paffett 364.455
Bruno Senna 301.104
Nico Hulkenberg 428.660
Daniel Ricciardo 332.778
Ricardo Teixeira 121.030
Davide Valsecchi 232.750
Luiz Razia 134.995
Giorgio Mondini 181.545

Engine Totals:
Engine Total Distance
Renault RS27-2011 13,189.292
Mercedes FO108Y 14,594.900
Ferrari 056 16,738.565
Cosworth CA2011 10,770.213

In total, accross all the tests we have a distance of 55,292.970, last years total was 56,126.098. With todays 3 red flags, the relyability rate has improved with a Red Flag Every 82.165 Laps, with a distance of Red Flag Every 369.180 Km by all teams, according to my crude mesurement of relyability.

I think im gonna call my feild for the year now:

1] Red Bull
2] Ferarri
3/4/5] Sauber/Toro Rosso/Renault
6/7] McLaren/Mercedes
8/9] Williams/Force India
10] Team Lotus
11] Marussia Virgin
12] Hispania

[Dragonfly]

That's what people call testing the limits
STR vs Pirelli

[dren]

I'd put Ferrari on top, then Red Bull, then Mercedes, Toro Rosso, Williams, Renault.

what is your source for this order. my source are testing (all testing in 2011)

how is mercedes faster then renault when renault have times in top 3 from Valencia-Jerez, and they have top 3 times when R31 is on track in Barcelona (yesterday Petrov, and Heidfeld...). Mercedes have only good result's first time in Jerez, but in barcelona (his car is in middle). Williams have potential, but also pptential have Torro Rosso and Mclaren.

and if you tell me that renault is top 3 only because low fuel and supersoft tyers you wrong, i can tell same thing for red bull and ferrari

I believe Ferrari made a good step this last test. I think they may be ahead of Red Bull. I also think Mercedes have made quite a big step and will be behind Ferrari and Red Bull. I think the next teams Williams, Toro Rosso and Renault will be all about the same. I don't think Sauber is as high as people have them. They did similar last year with low fuel runs.

[dren]

I have no idea where Mclaren is.