Wesley123's F1 Model

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wesley123
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Updates coming quick right now, A Brand New Rear Wing;
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From the back it doesnt look interresting at all, but from other views it is.

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This end plate got huge styling ques from McLaren's one. The difference is how it connects to the floor(bent to the diffuser wall) and how it holds the beam wing. Further the differences are just down to the details.

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I Went from Horizontal(well, sort of) Slits to diagonal, bent ones. These control the vortices better.

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Here it becomes even more interresting. As you can see the car got a really short main plane, and in turn of that a long flap which also holds the blown full slot. The shark fin connects to the wing like it did on the old one, being the only difference the small strut at the main planes start, just to let it comply with the rules(and allowing stalling through letting the gap close. This rear wing setup is kind of contradicting the direction other teams are going, with having a large main plane and a smaller flap. I wanted to keep the advantage of having an blown rear wing, but keep the Main plane clean, as this is an big factor for the rest of the wing. With this I made the rear wing more efficient. My guess is that It generates more downforce for same drag(here im using an lower wing angle then on the previous one).

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The rear wing got 2 trailing edges, the green one being for the main wing, the red one being for the blown slot, which is up much higher than it seems.

I hope for my next update to make changes to the sidepods and the tub area.
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

wesley123
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and another update

The car got new podwings, the sidepods are longer and much more clean. The footplate of the diffuser was changed too and also the front wing has chnaged once again.

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The shark fin was changed to make it legal. As an replacement the rear wing got an vertical fin. I might do away with the fin as the way it was planned to be used isnt allowed anymore, so it became pretty useless.

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And the changed footplate, the upward edge is partly gone, instead there is an tab and the exhaust is positioned this way to aid the diffuser sides.
The outside of the footplate now got an full length upwards lip for better wheel air management.

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An there the new podvane. It is much shorter in chord making the airflow between the sidepod and this vane more effecient. The podvane is connected to the altered Bargeboard, on this connection is an fin helping with the air management there. The bargeboard now got an small edge on the half of its length and above it is an fin just like the BGP001 last year.

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Here you see the altered front wing, the cascade was changed a bit, the outer winglet is gone and the 3rd element is split in two, all for better air management. This middle section is ment for air going past the Hub, the inner section for air going through the suspension and the outer section for front wheel air.

By the way, is the airbox a-la mercedes still legal next year? I have some plans to incorporate such an airbox...
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

wesley123
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Okay an fresh update. The floor has changed alot, now being Exhaust Blown. Further there are tweaks everywhere.

The Exhaust Blown Diffuser:
This is already the third version of it actually blowing into the floor. The exhaust blows into an pretty long tunnel to an pretty wide slit, this slit has notches in it to energize te flow. It doesnt blow directly into the floor but has an small upsweep, my assumption was that because of the exhaust blowing into the floor straight you actually blow into an low pressure zone, making the Diffuser in first less effective(you are blowing into an suction point) by doing it like I have done you still have this suction point and the air later is energized by the Exhaust.

Also the center section is changed a bit, the small tab in front of the diffuser start is gone, replaced by an smooth transition. The extension of this center section is changed too, being steeper and having a wing element on the reference plane, increasing downforce.

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Front Wing:

The cascade element now got its own new end plates, on the outside having slits in them, just like mclaren did last year.

On the outside of this cascade is an new end plate, being much cleaner in its shape helping the air around the front wheel, it also got its own horizontal flap on its bottom to stop air flowing in there. There is an small winglet on the top, making it some sort of a T, this part also got an slotted end plate on its outside.

The front wing itself got new strakes aiding air around the tire and the end plate got an extra hole in it.

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Rear Wing:

The rear wing got a new shape in its main lane, only bending down at the end plate side.

The beam wing is turning backwards in tis center, working better with the crashbox shape, and then wing overall being longer, increasing downforce.

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Bodywork:

The mirrors got an new connection to the tub, with the connection being lower and on the outside of the mirror, having more profile.

The nose cone has changed too slightly, with the most striking difference being the pillars, now they have an triangle extension with an vortex generator on its end.

Also the pod wings are of shorter chord

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"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

wesley123
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With the new rules being released I now have an question, would my floor still be legal?

Furthermore, I have made a small update plan of parts for every race as the car is actually already reaching the end of its cycle lol(I really dont have any better Ideas anymore), so I will show updates every race, or at least how 'it will be raced'
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

PNSD
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I persume, using zmodeler that you are a GP4/GP3 player? If so would be cool to get some textures and see how it could look in-game :)!

wesley123
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Well, i play rFactor sometimes, still need to get a steering wheel lol. Because of my complete unknowledge of rFactor models and the problem of mapping(I just lack the patience to do so) You wont see it in game unless somebody is willing to map it and make a template and who is able to get it into rFactor. So if anyone is able to do that that would be great, the model needs a lot of fixing through(Mirroring, correct internals, lods, cutting and then the normals). I did make the WM08 for F1 Challenge though, but as that was based on an already existing model it already was mapped.

If anyone is able to do this I am willing to send the files, I would love to see it in game too!

But to get a bit back on the question, I need to know if my floor would be legal with the EBD, as per rules the hole isnt even directly in the diffuser, but it is tubed into it blowing through an slit in the diffuser, I really need to be sure as if not I am going to revamp the whole rear end.
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

wesley123
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Made an update to the car, whole new sidepods and i had a go at fitting an radiator and the exhaust. The internals arent finished but i hope to finish them anywhere soon.

The sidepods are probably tighter than red bulls with an really low gearbox and an fully exposed beam wing(Im busy on a new beamwing). On how to fit the suspension arms i am still guessing because i do not like the williams solution.

The exhaust exits are currently in a conventional position due to fitting everything in correctly and the rules. I am currently looking into the blown diffuser(Just making an really long tunnel from the floor as to not break the continuous surface rule) or making an blown floor as there is enough space in front of he car to do so, this requires an whole new floor though.

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On the front things changed too but im still finishing things there so I will show them later. The pillars and the whole tub has quite changed with the bulges removed.
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

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A fully new diffuser, with only 2 strakes in it. There is an hole in the outer wall and the outer wall end before full length to let more air 'escape' there is an full length gurney varying in height too.
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An changed beamwing with an ultra low crashbox. The beamwing now is fully 2 piece, the outer edge bend down until the lowest height where it is split up, here an similair thing happens and the full beam wing moves over the gearbox in full length. By this my guess is that there are less vortices at the end plate making the whole wing nore effective.

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And a new exhaust position. I am still quite unsure about it's position. I am still looking into the FEE but also in many other positions.

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And the new front edge of the floor, this manages the air better together with the new barge boards and sidepod panel. Overall the airflow is far more efficient around here.

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And the new barge board. It might change a bit but i tried to maximize the area with it thus controlling the airflow better under the sidepod intake.

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And once again, new nose pillars. These resemble the mclaren ones but with an extension. This extension holds a bargeboard package too and got gurney tabs at its trailing edge aiding downforce.
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And a different strake, this one splits air around the tire retaining the split up nature of the front wing. An similair strake was seen on the Pescarolo at Le Mans 2010

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Here we got a small tunnel working better with the area around it, aiding airflow to the floor and around the rest of the front wing.

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And new end plates for the cascade. The old 2 piece end plate was replaced with a one piece with a hole in its lower part better aiding airflow aroudn the tire. Also there is a new element on it held by a small pillar, this piece also aids in the air aroudn the tire working better with the air going over the cascade.
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And a small tab helping air around the front tire, this works with the rest of the plane's extremies creating a bigger gurney, aiding downforce and helping air around the tire.

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"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

marcush.
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that front wing is going to drive the modelmaker crazy...
c´mon do the whole thing and lift the sidepod from the floor now,your inlet could not be any higher than this anyways.
I wonder if an exposed radiator would be allowed under the current rules?
like the first iteration of the Brabham BT60

wesley123
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Well, I could look into such idea, I kinda like it. If i can fit an similair sized radiator in it(it is already laid quite flat) I think it could be possible. Although what an problem is is that these really tight sidepods arent possible anymore. The car itself is already really formfitted around everything. I got the (imaginary lol)KERS batteries and cooling in the keel, so to already free up the space in the sidepods.

An elevated sidepod also is quite contrary to the low CofG i tried to achieve with the car.

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The sidepod was made transparent to make the sidepod position visible.

Also if i remember it well the BT60 was a car suffering from heat issues due to such radiators, it would be coute cool though to have intakeless sidepods.

I plan to look into a few different exhaust configurations, and when that is done i could possible even tighten the sidepod more making it more downsloping for example.
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

marcush.
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compared to RB you radiator is in upright position....what is your radiator area for the water cooling? the trouble is n.obody will tell us the waterflow data ...

wesley123
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Well all these sizes etc. are just well guessed so i cannot give you any dimensions lol. I use in game models to check the sizes of my car, so it at least looks in right proportions.
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

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another update, changed the front and rear wings.

Front wing:
The front wing's endplate has changed, now feauturing an upper element similair to mclarens, This is a much cleaner end plate aiding air around the front wing.
Also the cascade has changed. The slits in the inner end plate are gone and the cascade is slightly smaller. The outer part of the cascade got a cut out reducing chord length around the start of the end plate.
The cascades end plate got a new slot in it and is lengthened significantly.

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Rear Wing:
New different wings with the second wing being significantly reduced in chord. The rear wing got a higher Angle of Attack and is much more efficient.

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"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

wesley123
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Updated the car once again. Changed the exhaust configuration and tweaked the front wing a little bit.

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The exhaust now blows like Red Bull's and Ferrari's configuration into the area near the rear wheel. This is especially benificial since it blows through the slit in the diffuser's wall.

The cover over it was shaped to minimize the impact of airflow going into the coke bottle, like it is a little problem with Ferrari's and Red Bull's similair solution.

There is a vertical fence that stops air from flowing into the area close to the rear wheel, instead this air will be dircted upwards and outwards, this area isnt fully done yet as I plan a more complicated solution.

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The front wing got a few tweaks. The inside got a similair edge like seen on most front wings, this here increases downforce slightly but spoils the airflow less increasing efficiency further downwards the car.

On the underside of the front wings there are 2 more strakes added, one on the front of the wing and one at the back, turing diverting air around the front wheel. The double strake on the center of the wing is modified too, the one directing air inwards has a small curve on its bottom edge, the strake directing air outwards is shortened.

The endplates have changed too, with the cascade's endplate being curved in frontal view andthe holes in the end plate being slightly larger. Also the nose up angle is reduced. The end plate got a plate previously seen on the front wings end plate.

The front wings end plate loses its fence, instead having a winglet guiding ir from the cascade. On the end plate's end there is a small edge generating a vortex to get air flowing in to get more air around the front tire.
"Bite my shiny metal ass" - Bender

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Beautiful. I spent a lot of time watching the details. Thanks a lot.
Ciro