McLaren MP4-26 Mercedes

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One thing you might not realise looking at the MP4-26 is that McLaren are attempting to run exaust pipes that will pretty much be part of the car's floor and will not 'surface' at any point. As i understand it, this is were the problem is. The chap I talked to gave me the impresion that they tried out a couple of quick-fix solutions last week which did not work as hoped but that some other solutions could be implimented without changing the fundermental design of the car.
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volarchico wrote:So they just need to get rid of about 33% of their sidepod? Should be a piece of cake!
That's the big problem. :P
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volarchico wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:How do you figure with more pressure on top?
I think he means because the air has less of an airfoil shape to pass over than normal sidepods. Normal sidepods are more wing-shaped which would create a pressure drop on top (create lift), whereas the L-pods wouldn't cause as big a pressure drop. ringo, correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you meant!
That's what i meant. It's in fact a good solution; if they can magically shrink the side pods. That may take a complete revolution in radiator design. Maybe 3D radiators instead of the flat panel ones?
I have a little clarification, it should have a better pressure distribution, and create much less drag, but it doesn't account for some other things.
The L side pod has less down-force compared to the typical designs for some reason, Assuming all have the same coke bottle shape in plan view.

I am not quite sure why, (this sounds cliche) but i think the interaction with the diffuser is the reason behind getting better down force with the other taller side pods.
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Looking on the picture, the L side pod in fact has much less drag,and better centre of pressure, due to the distribution, Maybe that's why the car feels good to the drivers?

But looking near the tail of the floor, we can see that the other side pod is creating more pressure on it. This is where most of the force is, and it is compounded by the fact that this is the region above where the lowest pressure is under the floor.

At the front, L side pod has smaller high pressure region, so it help explain the lower drag as well.

I did a few models of different side pod curves. All the same with only a difference with the top surface. The L pod is pretty good for the low drag benefit, because these other designs aren't far away in raw down-force. It's just one design that has a huge difference, i wont say what that curve is :mrgreen:

The lift to drag ratio is actually very good. Better than 2 other designs bar the 1 special one. But for raw down force it has slightly less than the 2 typical designs.


The L side pod also has another benefit, it has better flow to the beam wing, ie the velocities are slight higher.


Mclaren's solution is not equally as tight round the back as the others, so it may not see this benefit? but overall i think the L side pod is a good design if they can trim it down.
If it is super refined it wont have the most raw down-force, but it will have the least drag by far.
An taking the beam wing into account it can allow better down-force to be created elsewhere on the car.

this may have to go in another thread for further analysis, but it relates to this car specially.
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Diesel wrote:Left side of the wing is flat as well :roll:
Thanks Diesel, I tried to point that out a while ago, but some thought it was a camera angle or optical illusion...
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If the side pods weren't efficient in how they flow air, you would see spray (votex generation) developing in the downstream area of the L shape. There is none.... :D

Also notice how the spray from the front tire, widens around the side pod and follows the side into to the diffuser area...
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http://noob.hu/2011/03/14/dcd1109ma138.jpg
http://noob.hu/2011/03/14/dcd1109ma156.jpg

From a post on Autosport. Nice detail. Sorry if repost.

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volarchico wrote:So they just need to get rid of about 33% of their sidepod? Should be a piece of cake!
If you can do that then why wouldn't you just lower the whole sidepod anyway? McLaren are trying to chase something that just isn't there.

Put it this way, it's not something I could ever see someone like Gordon Murray going for. Either the profile of the whole car goes down or not at all.

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segedunum wrote:
volarchico wrote:So they just need to get rid of about 33% of their sidepod? Should be a piece of cake!
If you can do that then why wouldn't you just lower the whole sidepod anyway? McLaren are trying to chase something that just isn't there.

Put it this way, it's not something I could ever see someone like Gordon Murray going for. Either the profile of the whole car goes down or not at all.
I'll repeat my request, seeing as you keep ignoring it. You predict this car is going to suck big time, so will you outright predict that a car with L shaped sidepods will not win a single race this year?

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smatrd wrote:http://noob.hu/2011/03/14/dcd1109ma138.jpg
http://noob.hu/2011/03/14/dcd1109ma156.jpg

From a post on Autosport. Nice detail. Sorry if repost.
Thanks for posting those - amazing shots.

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Is this a filter in the rear brake ducts?
http://noob.hu/2011/03/14/dcd1109ma138.jpg

At least we know that McLaren ran a pretty basic blown diffuser, there is alot to come from this car yet IMO. Not a winning car, but not a right off just yet.
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Nice photos!

Yes I think the rear brake duct has filters.

Interesting to see that the little deflector on the bottom of the rear wing are guiding the air away from the center.

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smatrd wrote:http://noob.hu/2011/03/14/dcd1109ma138.jpg


From a post on Autosport. Nice detail. Sorry if repost.

nice shot..

Does anyone know why is there a detachable piece of floor right in front of the rear wheel?

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Owen.C93 wrote:Is this a filter in the rear brake ducts?
http://noob.hu/2011/03/14/dcd1109ma138.jpg

At least we know that McLaren ran a pretty basic blown diffuser, there is alot to come from this car yet IMO. Not a winning car, but not a right off just yet.
Gee, quite busy area, back there. Filters on the brake ducts? What are all the individual cut outs in the floor for? Looks quite messy around there. Are they allowed these big cut outs in front of the tire, still a bit of floor inbetween? And what would the effects be? What about all the plug down, oval shaped hole in the floor?
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smatrd wrote:http://noob.hu/2011/03/14/dcd1109ma138.jpg
http://noob.hu/2011/03/14/dcd1109ma156.jpg

From a post on Autosport. Nice detail. Sorry if repost.
On the first picture, what are all the temperature (?) stickers towards the centre for? Are the exhausts close to the center?
Is that tube the guide tube for the starter ?
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