Is McLaren really off the pace?

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N12ck wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFlyCzOJFC4

does this look like a ill handling slow car seriously?
Just_a_fan wrote:It didn't look any less stable than the Ferrari...

Well since Brundle says the car is a "mess" what do we humans know? [sarcasm]

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Why wouldn't they run different angles of attack on the wing? They look like they are running two different cascades unless some thing has dropped off.

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Errr... what's different?

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guys,it's all optical illusions! :D
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Just_a_fan wrote:It didn't look any less stable than the Ferrari...
When you are at the track side watching the cars, you should be able to tell the difference in braking point, gear shift and how soon a car can power out from a corner.

Just curious how you could possibly judge the stability of the car just a video, not to mention with japanese commentary?

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I think stability is very much visibly there. The McLaren doesn't seem to be unbalanced/ill-handling in the video, except for a slight moment I think I caught on the exit of turn 9. So it does seem to be balanced. BUT, we don't know if it's just plain slow. eg. the braking distances could be twice as long, and it may take twice as long as the Ferrari/Red Bull to be able to get on the power, etc. We can't see that clearly on a video
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CHT wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:It didn't look any less stable than the Ferrari...
When you are at the track side watching the cars, you should be able to tell the difference in braking point, gear shift and how soon a car can power out from a corner.

Just curious how you could possibly judge the stability of the car just a video, not to mention with japanese commentary?
Certain forum members have been decrying the car's stability without seeing it from trackside so why can't one also defend the stability 'remotely'?

Brundle made a comment that it looked a handful at one test. That has been grasped by some to mean that the car is inherently unstable. The video shows that it appears to be stable. That is the only evidence we have to judge it from.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
CHT wrote:
Just_a_fan wrote:It didn't look any less stable than the Ferrari...
When you are at the track side watching the cars, you should be able to tell the difference in braking point, gear shift and how soon a car can power out from a corner.

Just curious how you could possibly judge the stability of the car just a video, not to mention with japanese commentary?
Certain forum members have been decrying the car's stability without seeing it from trackside so why can't one also defend the stability 'remotely'?

Brundle made a comment that it looked a handful at one test. That has been grasped by some to mean that the car is inherently unstable. The video shows that it appears to be stable. That is the only evidence we have to judge it from.
I am not doubting your ability to judge a car stability from the video, just want to know who you do it.

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Apparently the main problem for McLaren was the exhaust kept cracking. It was made out of a material that was too brittle and it gave out. Mclaren have now asked an exhaust specialist company to build it for them , which they are rushing to get done by Melborne. Lets says this is correct. That would solve some of the reliability problems. The back end still looks clumsy to me. Will they redesign that too? Also as im sure its been spoken about on here RB were testing on full fuel tanks this winter to give a slower impression of the car just like they did last year. That means at least another second on top of there qualy trim car.

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Rumored that Redbull was on 8 times the qualy fuel amount in the tanks. I think this is sensationalism. I would be quite surprised if they are anything more than 0.3s faster than Alonos's Ferrari. As for Mclaren at least we know now that we were not on qualy fuel with Jenson nor Hamilton.
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I think everyone would be surprised if it thrashes the field by more than 3 tenths. BUt I do believe they will still have a massive advantage in Hungary.
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from autosport:
McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh is adamant his team has the capacity to "surprise a few people" at the season-opening Australian Grand Prix despite its difficult winter testing.

Whitmarsh, whose team was unable to cover as much mileage as it wanted during the winter, conceded McLaren is not arriving as favourites to win in Melbourne.

But he insisted the Woking-based squad cannot be written off.

"It's called testing for a reason - and testing MP4-26 beyond its limit has, in some ways, been highly instructive," said Whitmarsh in a team preview.

"In actual fact, we've gathered a huge amount of useful data about the car, its handling characteristics and its management of the tyres. So while we've further fine-tuned the package for Melbourne, we've once again set ourselves some extremely tough targets for this opening race weekend.

"So, do I think our testing pace is representative of the pace we'll show in Australia? No. Do I think we head into the weekend as race favourites? Unfortunately, no. But do I feel that we have the capacity to surprise a few people and be competitive? Very much so."
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ringo wrote:from autosport:
McLaren boss Martin Whitmarsh is adamant his team has the capacity to "surprise a few people" at the season-opening Australian Grand Prix despite its difficult winter testing.

Whitmarsh, whose team was unable to cover as much mileage as it wanted during the winter, conceded McLaren is not arriving as favourites to win in Melbourne.

But he insisted the Woking-based squad cannot be written off.

"It's called testing for a reason - and testing MP4-26 beyond its limit has, in some ways, been highly instructive," said Whitmarsh in a team preview.

"In actual fact, we've gathered a huge amount of useful data about the car, its handling characteristics and its management of the tyres. So while we've further fine-tuned the package for Melbourne, we've once again set ourselves some extremely tough targets for this opening race weekend.

"So, do I think our testing pace is representative of the pace we'll show in Australia? No. Do I think we head into the weekend as race favourites? Unfortunately, no. But do I feel that we have the capacity to surprise a few people and be competitive? Very much so."
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I suspect he's keeping sponsors sweet. That said, I trust Martin Whitmarsh a lot more with his statements than I did with Uncle Ron, so perhaps there is something in it.

Perhaps indeed, that clarification on the rules wasn't a death knell for McLaren at all. Up until now, all of the information about their car has come from other sources and as such should be treated as professional willy waving.
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Hangaku wrote: I suspect he's keeping sponsors sweet. That said, I trust Martin Whitmarsh a lot more with his statements than I did with Uncle Ron, so perhaps there is something in it.

Perhaps indeed, that clarification on the rules wasn't a death knell for McLaren at all. Up until now, all of the information about their car has come from other sources and as such should be treated as professional willy waving.

"surprise a few people" means nothing in terms of performance expectation. Any team could have use the same statement and still be correct.

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The question is: is it a good surprise or a bad one?
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