Ferrari 150° Italia

[ringo]

The centre of gravity seems too high. The driver position is compromised for the aerodynamics around the front. At least that's what i guess from the way the F150 is moving
I think this car is built for high speed tracks. But when things slow down the high COG has a bigger effect on handling.

Alonso is fighting the car, i don't think it should even be in fifht place on a track like melbourne.
This is just the begining though. This car is still up there in terms of pace, maybe they're just not having a good weekend; though race pace is a whole other story.

[timd]

We all wrote McLaren off then they came back for FP1 effectivly the first actual session of the year. Lets just give it a couple races or even a race before we say anything. Its all too much up in the air

I cant see how anyone can go so far with their CoG too put tracks out. Its way too important all around. Remember how easily CoG is simulated

[segedunum]

Their nose is rather higher than other cars and they will be paying a centre of gravity penalty for it. It's a question of whether they're getting an overall aerodynamic benefit as a result, but I doubt it because a high nose is all about getting a higher volume of air to the rear of the car. It's certainly not going to help the front which is where they appear to have problems.

Their 'apparent' pace in testing meant that no one really wanted to question it but the car does not seem balanced at the front end at all this wekend. Melbourne is historically a tricky circuit to judge anything from, but given how far they're behind it's more than just the circuit that's a problem here.

[ringo]

must be the stone henge front wing supports.
They may take those big flaps off next race.



The car probably under steers with them. The yaw stability is too high with so much surface area being bombarded by air at the windward side of the car maybe.

A good idea is to put slits in them or just take them off.

[Goran2812]

why is that wing so simple damnit!?!? -.-

[fausto cedros]

Really baffled by the tyre management today. Not sorry at all since i am a McLaren fan, but i expected much more from Ferrari. Any opinions on that?

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

There is no point in denying that we leave Australia with a sense of disappointment. Again today, our performance level was not a match for that of the best, especially one of the Red Bulls. Nevertheless, we managed to pick up some valuable points, especially with Fernando, who drove a great race, recovering from what happened to him on the first lap. Having made a strong start, Felipe first defended himself with real determination against attacks from Button, but then in the second part of the race he suffered more than expected with overheating rear tyres. Now we will have to study everything carefully to work out what prevented us from being as competitive as we had expected this weekend. Then we will have to react immediately, starting with the next race in Malaysia. One of the main themes is the level of downforce at the front: we must find out why we did not get on track what was predicted by the data. One of the few bright points was reliability, especially on the engine side and with the KERS.”

Massa

Felipe Massa: “At the start things got off on the right foot with a nice start and good defending from Button’s attacking moves. Then we tried to bring forward the use of the hard tyres, but that move did not pay off and we had to make the third stop towards the end, which lost me a few places. In the second part, I suffered a lot with degradation on the rear tyres and I could not keep up a good pace. New elements such as the rear wing worked as they should: we definitely saw more overtaking than last year. The duel with Button? It was very tight: when he passed me, cutting the chicane, I expected him to be penalised. I am a bit disappointed with the result and the overall performance this weekend. We have to get down to work to understand fully what happened, because I think we have not shown our true potential.”

[ringo]

Really baffled by the tyre management today. Not sorry at all since i am a McLaren fan, but i expected much more from Ferrari. Any opinions on that?

push rod suspension coming back to bite them in the ass.
COG is too high in a # of areas, gearbox and cockpict.

Well this is what i think. They could go to Malaysia and dominate, and throw all that out the window.

One thing i like about it though is that the DRS seems to be one of the most effective ones on the track.
The ferraris were using them well with little between them and the cars they were overtaking.

[Goran2812]

this really makes no sense... yesterday they had problems with cold tires, today with overheating... -.-

what was the track temp yesterday and today?

[AbbaleRacing77]

How can you guys blame specific parts of the car like you actually know what the problem is? All i know is that Alonso went from 9th to 4th and set fastest lap on numerous occasions which to say the least is fairly promising. Yes the car looked a bit unstable probably due to not having the best possible handle on there tires. Most other teams had the same problem and fernando was definitely in the top 3 as far as performance today. Stop making silly assumptions...

[Sean H]

How can you guys blame specific parts of the car like you actually know what the problem is? All i know is that Alonso went from 9th to 4th and set fastest lap on numerous occasions which to say the least is fairly promising. Yes the car looked a bit unstable probably due to not having the best possible handle on there tires. Most other teams had the same problem and fernando was definitely in the top 3 as far as performance today. Stop making silly assumptions...

It is the internet, if silly people didn't sit behind their computers acting like race engineers what fun would it be?

And I agree, if it wasn't for a poor start, Alonso is on the podium. The poor start wasn't the cars fault.

Massa on the other hand is a mess. I hope for his sake he can get it back together at some point or I fear his days are numbered at Scuderia.

[Byronrhys]

Really baffled by the tyre management today. Not sorry at all since i am a McLaren fan, but i expected much more from Ferrari. Any opinions on that?

push rod suspension coming back to bite them in the ass.
COG is too high in a # of areas, gearbox and cockpict.

Well this is what i think. They could go to Malaysia and dominate, and throw all that out the window.

One thing i like about it though is that the DRS seems to be one of the most effective ones on the track.
The ferraris were using them well with little between them and the cars they were overtaking.

How can you blame pushrod when the only car that could 1 stop has basically the same rear end as the ferrari, it must be the setup or the driver, or even packaging.

[myurr]

And I agree, if it wasn't for a poor start, Alonso is on the podium. The poor start wasn't the cars fault.

Well on raw pace Button also had him beat and Webber was at least comparable, so if we're going to look at all the ifs then he'd still have been 4th or 5th.

[myurr]

How can you blame pushrod when the only car that could 1 stop has basically the same rear end as the ferrari, it must be the setup or the driver, or even packaging.

+1

Webber also had similar wear to the Ferrari's (and Vettel wasn't much better, he just wasn't having to push as much) despite having the 'right' suspension.

[AbbaleRacing77]

I know its the internet... but intelligent conclusions would be nice. Everyone wants to blame the parts of the car that arent exactly the same as redbull. If ferrari was winning people would be saying that pullrod is junk because it doesnt create enough space for air to flow under the crash structure. Or that everyone elses front wings are too complex and need to be more simple and have cleaner air flow.

Heres an idea: Somebody should send Stefano Domenicalli an email with photos of the RB7 and tell him to have his team copy it because obviously ferrari hasnt even seen the red bull yet. Does anyone have the stefanos email or the email of any of the other 700 engineers that work at Ferrari? I need these asap so i can inform them that they got beat by one redbull.