Red Bull RB7 Renault

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earlrue
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dren wrote:
Ferraripilot wrote:
dren wrote:I read somewhere, maybe it was here, that the Red Bull has been running some sort of hydraulic suspension coupling system front to back that levels the car. Is this true?
I thought all equipment such as that had been banned since Williams had suspension like that in the 90s, albeit a more complicated system
The Williams system was an active system. I thought the one I read about was some sort of hydraulicly coupled system that leveled itself out.
There must be something to it. All the talk about their genuine pace, their rake, the rumours about ride height adjustment last year, discussion about flexing nose, the fact we barely get to see any images of the RB's internals (e.g. unlike the early shots of Renaults exhaust etc) plus Newey was working on the great FW14 with its active suspension in the 90's. Forget about what's legal and what not. It's all about being smart enough to put it together without crossing the lines of the rules. There is still room to operate. For sure the aero is great and efficient on the RBs, but that Newey 'is able to visualize airflow' #-o that allone just won't do the trick. I am sure that RB is silently happy that everybody concentrates on exhausts and again on the flexy wing by now.
But I am really missing a discussion about the suspension.

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earlrue wrote:
There must be something to it. All the talk about their genuine pace, their rake, the rumours about ride height adjustment last year, discussion about flexing nose, the fact we barely get to see any images of the RB's internals (e.g. unlike the early shots of Renaults exhaust etc) plus Newey was working on the great FW14 with its active suspension in the 90's. Forget about what's legal and what not. It's all about being smart enough to put it together without crossing the lines of the rules. There is still room to operate. For sure the aero is great and efficient on the RBs, but that Newey 'is able to visualize airflow' #-o that allone just won't do the trick. I am sure that RB is silently happy that everybody concentrates on exhausts and again on the flexy wing by now.
But I am really missing a discussion about the suspension.
Redbull.. An 'all in one'
can be part of it the internal heat?
How can afect the pace in qualy, 'overheating' internaly?
Create more internal heat on qualy to use more hot air..

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I mean use overheating mecanic over 1 lap to produce more hot air
And with the 'especial' engine cover cooling exit, these hot air create more downforce.

Overheating..on launch lap or prestart lap.
Hot air to rear wing
(more downforce)
with more dowforce, can pass turns at mor speed.
With more speed on turns exit, can use the DRS early (on qualy)
DRC gives more speed.. and more speed flexes front wing early..
And so..

Can be posible?

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bonjon1979 wrote: You're not getting a genuine comparison, look at the lines on the ground they run at different angles, so car is in a different position on the track. Also photos are taken from slightly different angles. I wouldn't be surprised if one was taken with the photographer stood up and the other kneeling down. So one's effectively looking down on the car, the other taken more at nose level.
Of course nothing is PERFECT, but I don't think the photographer used much of a different angle or zoom for those photos. The lines on the track 'move' because the cars are in slightly different places and the picture is aligned to them. But look at how closely the wheel heights and positions are.

Anyways, what are you doubting, that the RB7 has a lot of forward rake? This comparison should clear that up. (note the height of the rear floor)

http://mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=srs&s=6

We've been discussing (in various threads it seems) about how the rake of the RB7 is part of it's design and why it's important to the performance of the car.

bonjon1979
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Lindz wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote: You're not getting a genuine comparison, look at the lines on the ground they run at different angles, so car is in a different position on the track. Also photos are taken from slightly different angles. I wouldn't be surprised if one was taken with the photographer stood up and the other kneeling down. So one's effectively looking down on the car, the other taken more at nose level.
Of course nothing is PERFECT, but I don't think the photographer used much of a different angle or zoom for those photos. The lines on the track 'move' because the cars are in slightly different places and the picture is aligned to them. But look at how closely the wheel heights and positions are.

Anyways, what are you doubting, that the RB7 has a lot of forward rake? This comparison should clear that up. (note the height of the rear floor)

http://mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=srs&s=6

We've been discussing (in various threads it seems) about how the rake of the RB7 is part of it's design and why it's important to the performance of the car.
I'm not saying that Red Bull doesn't have more rake. It may well do. But what I would say is that you can't tell that for certain from either this comparison or the previous one. I know it's nearly the same positioning of the camera but the slightest difference in angle and camera position can make a huge difference. Look at the lettering on the advertising hoarding on the last comparison you posted. It's the same piece of hoarding but in one photo the lettering appears a good bit higher than the other, yet the cars appear to be level on the track. How is that possible? It's possible because the angle at which the photo is taken is different which means the images we're taking are taken from different perspectives which means it's impossible to do a really detailed comparison as the eye is easily fooled by the lens.

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bonjon1979 wrote:I'm not saying that Red Bull doesn't have more rake. It may well do. But what I would say is that you can't tell that for certain from either this comparison or the previous one.
well you can from this one:
http://mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=srs&s=11&a=28&b=26

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Reventon wrote:
bonjon1979 wrote:I'm not saying that Red Bull doesn't have more rake. It may well do. But what I would say is that you can't tell that for certain from either this comparison or the previous one.
well you can from this one:
http://mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=srs&s=11&a=28&b=26
You definitely can!


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More RB7 details from Malaysia http://www.f1talks.pl/?p=7293

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^great images thanks :D
Look mama I'm going fast- Ricky Bobby

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I found this ones interesting. it shows that FW in nice detail:
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Crash-structure, gear-box + rear-suspension:
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Front-right brake + suspension detail:
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bonjon1979
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rear suspension looks fiendishly complicated. Also looks like an electricity warning sticker at the back. Could they've put the battery for KERS underneath the gearbox or is it to do with the electric motor that's mounted back there?

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There's a picture on Motor Sport F1 images where RB also have the "DANGER" sign on top of their car this has become symbol for installed/charged KERS. So my guess is they have their KERS-package installed for Sepang. (couldn't link that image though)

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shamikaze wrote:There's a picture on Motor Sport F1 images where RB also have the "DANGER" sign on top of their car this has become symbol for installed/charged KERS. So my guess is they have their KERS-package installed for Sepang. (couldn't link that image though)
i think there is a rule that u have to stick that logo, in case u are running the KERS
but it doesnt say that you cannot just stick that logo without the KERS!