Malaysian GP 2011 - Sepang

[raymondu999]

Aha. Interesting. But we have seen in races in the past that they CAN find a compromise, or work their way around it. For example I believe in China 2009 and Monza 2008, most cars had dry setups

[godlameroso]

First two corners slow, next corner slow, next corner practically flat out for most cars, next corner, a little lift. Next double apex right, red bull will shine here. Next corner up hill hair pin into decreasing radius right this is a drivers corner, next high speed left, advantage red bull, followed by a decreasing radius right, again more of a driver's corner. Then back straight to hair pin.

Red Bull has an advantage in two turns really as opposed to all of sector 3 in Melbourne.

[raymondu999]

I think you have turns 5 and 12 reversed. Turn 5 is a lot more aero demanding, turn 12 is the flat out one. Not all cars can be flat out through 5 IMO. Also, Turn 6 will also be a Red Bull thing. As will, I expect, 9, 11 and 13.

Also, ouch: http://www.patronisef1.com/index.php/f1 ... laysian-gp

The whole pit straight!? That's slight overkill, isn't it?

[CHT]

I think you have turns 5 and 12 reversed. Turn 5 is a lot more aero demanding, turn 12 is the flat out one. Not all cars can be flat out through 5 IMO. Also, Turn 6 will also be a Red Bull thing. As will, I expect, 9, 11 and 13.

Also, ouch: http://www.patronisef1.com/index.php/f1 ... laysian-gp

The whole pit straight!? That's slight overkill, isn't it?

Will be watching the race from Turn 6,7 and 8. the exit at turn 8 is a section where the better car will shine.

[beelsebob]

I just had an interesting thought re RedBull's qualifying pace. I suspect that they may be plastered across the front row by a significant margin, and backing off in the race again...

For the sake of argument, suppose the RB7 has significantly more downforce than the rest of the field (seems fairly likely at the moment). Next, suppose that this means that they can make turn 5 at 260km/h, while McLaren can only manage it at 240km/h. With the use of the DRS, they may well hit that 260km/h aero limit, meanwhile, without its use, they may be sufficiently slower purely due to lack of acceleration. This would cause the better aero package to have a significantly bigger advantage in qualifying than in the race.

[madly]

Is this W02 or 'Silver Arrow'? That's the question...

[raymondu999]

I just had an interesting thought re RedBull's qualifying pace. I suspect that they may be plastered across the front row by a significant margin, and backing off in the race again...

For the sake of argument, suppose the RB7 has significantly more downforce than the rest of the field (seems fairly likely at the moment). Next, suppose that this means that they can make turn 5 at 260km/h, while McLaren can only manage it at 240km/h. With the use of the DRS, they may well hit that 260km/h aero limit, meanwhile, without its use, they may be sufficiently slower purely due to lack of acceleration. This would cause the better aero package to have a significantly bigger advantage in qualifying than in the race.

I don't get what you're saying. The exit of 4 only has a short squirt to the entry of 5. 5 will be probably a lot too fast a corner to take with DRS on

[chepoi]

Sepang today: Thursday April 7th 2011:













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[beelsebob]

I just had an interesting thought re RedBull's qualifying pace. I suspect that they may be plastered across the front row by a significant margin, and backing off in the race again...

For the sake of argument, suppose the RB7 has significantly more downforce than the rest of the field (seems fairly likely at the moment). Next, suppose that this means that they can make turn 5 at 260km/h, while McLaren can only manage it at 240km/h. With the use of the DRS, they may well hit that 260km/h aero limit, meanwhile, without its use, they may be sufficiently slower purely due to lack of acceleration. This would cause the better aero package to have a significantly bigger advantage in qualifying than in the race.

I don't get what you're saying. The exit of 4 only has a short squirt to the entry of 5. 5 will be probably a lot too fast a corner to take with DRS on

While my choice of corner may not be correct, what I'm getting at is basically that if there's a corner where their speed is limited by power in the race, and by aero in qualifying (due to DRS or no DRS making them accelerate faster in qually), RedBull will show a more significant advantage in qually than in the race.

[alelanza]

Not sure i follow, you mean the RBs could take a turn at 260 km/h with DRS on while the Maccas wouldn't be able to get past 240 with DRS off?

[FrukostScones]

waterslide? (this really was my first thought...)

Schumacher thinks that the race will be a rain lottery; time for some outsider bets...?!

[raymondu999]

I'd love rain for the race. But a monsoon, no one likes

[andrew]

FrukostScones - Not according to Betfair!

An outside bet is always worth a go if the weather conditions are going to cause mass confusion and problems. I think the Merc's will do well.

[beelsebob]

Not sure i follow, you mean the RBs could take a turn at 260 km/h with DRS on while the Maccas wouldn't be able to get past 240 with DRS off?

No, I mean the RBs could take a turn at 260km/h with the DRS on because it allows them to get to 260km/h, meanwhile the maccas might not be able to get past 240 with the DRS on because of a lack of downforce. Meanwhile, in the race, both would have the DRS off, and both get to 240km/h because the maccas are borderline acceleration/downforce limited, but the RBs become entirely acceleration limited.

[alelanza]

Sorry i'm still not there with you. Are you saying the RBs would be drag limited at 240 km/h?