Raikkonen to NASCAR!!!

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Thanks, Alejo.
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richard_leeds wrote:A NASCAR turn = two turns of identical constant radius and camber taken at identical speed
Wrong...If only it was that easy, you could do it. :lol:
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Ciro, you are a wealth of knowledge, but I must disagree with you and other NASCAR supporters. This is not a personal attack, this is a difference of opinion and perspective as a former NASCAR fan that sees the wizard behind the curtain.

NASCAR is nothing more than WWE on wheels. Or Luchadores. Or whatever. NASCAR isn't hard, I don't care how much camber some corners have on entry versus exit. It's a series mired in tech that's 40-50 years behind the average road car. There's zero reason they have only now tested fuel injection. The racing rules change from event to event. They stand behind this facade of good ol' boys when they are shrewd, backstabbing, vicious politicians that would as soon sell their grandmother up a river as lose a popularity contest. They throw parties with country singers and preachers that give invocations before every race, and then they let competitors go out on track and literally try to kill each other (Edwards and Kesolowski to name but one pair). They dress that up as 'rubbin' is racin'. Nothing they do on track translates to any road car. The LS engine wasn't borne from NASCAR racing. The safety of road cars didn't come from NASCAR. The series is more like IROC. Not a single person in NASCAR could identify a car without paint and stickers on them, it's the same damn car. The racing is dictated and won by who can convince Brian France would make him more money. They allow GoodYear to continue to make tires that are guaranteed to spectacularly fail at least once a race. They won't make a car that's lighter weight with more tire and lower CG to help this problem. NASCAR is rigged. NASCAR is a joke, they shouldn't even call it racing. They should call it 'Staged for your entertainment with rigged cautions and crashes when it gets boring' Cup Series. But that doesn't sound as good as a series borne from illegal activity that gives ... in the stands some fake emotional connection because they have a John Deere license plate tag and Remington stickers with camo running board graphics, all on an F-150 that hasn't seen a dirt driveway much less actually used as a truck. ... NASCAR and their fake fans. The announcers won't call ... when they see it, they tow the corporate line and say what their told to avoid risking the fake persona NASCAR tries so desperate to keep. Too bad the death of Dale Earnhardt didn't also kill NASCAR, he would have been better of in sports car racing like he was planning.

I hate NASCAR for all of those reasons and more. They are ... wrapped in a lie. There's nothing useful done in that series. They drive around wasting perfectly good gas so ... rednecks can see wrecks that the cars are specifically engineered to survive so they can go crash back into the dude that hit them, thereby making perfect TV drama so people will stick around for the commercials and buy a Jeff Gordon hat for 30 bucks. 'Support the troops for defending out freedom' they constantly bleat to pull heartstrings. They won't say 'We support the troops fighting for corporate profits and political power.' That doesn't make good TV or appeal emotionally to the wallets of their fans. ... NASCAR. It's a worthless series run by politicians ... . Formula 1 is too, but they don't dress it up with fake smiles and fake Christian values.

/rant off
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Would be kinda neat to see Kimi give an interview to somebody like Darrell Waltrip. Talk about awkward silence.
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Ray wrote: NASCAR isn't hard,

^^^ You really have no ... idea do you! #-o
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djos wrote:
Ray wrote: NASCAR isn't hard,

^^^ You really have no ... idea do you! #-o
Actually, yes. I do. I've been a fan for almost 20 years. Then I saw the wizard behind the curtain and realized NASCAR is a ... series full of lies and 50 year old technology that isn't worth wasting the gas on. It's not rocket science, but it isn't a development test bed either. I'm sorry. My opinion is that it's a worthless series that isn't that great. The cars are the same, the engines aren't applicable to the street car, the gas is wasted on WWE fixed outcome races, and they hide behind fake Christian values and good ol' boy facades to sell tickets to watch guys go around in circles and crash into each other. It's a stupid series, behind the times, and full of idiots.

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Ray wrote:
djos wrote:
Ray wrote: NASCAR isn't hard,

^^^ You really have no ... idea do you! #-o
Actually, yes. I do. I've been a fan for almost 20 years. Then I saw the wizard behind the curtain and realized NASCAR is a ... series full of lies and 50 year old technology that isn't worth wasting the gas on. It's not rocket science, but it isn't a development test bed either. I'm sorry. My opinion is that it's a worthless series that isn't that great. The cars are the same, the engines aren't applicable to the street car, the gas is wasted on WWE fixed outcome races, and they hide behind fake Christian values and good ol' boy facades to sell tickets to watch guys go around in circles and crash into each other. It's a stupid series, behind the times, and full of idiots.
While the competition cautions and excessive yellow's are mainly BS I think calling it easy really doesn't do it justice - if it where so damn easy JPM and Ambrose would be carving the place up and they clearly aren't.
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djos wrote: While the competition cautions and excessive yellow's are mainly BS I think calling it easy really doesn't do it justice - if it where so damn easy JPM and Ambrose would be carving the place up and they clearly aren't.
I agree and disagree. Just because someone isn't successful doesn't mean the task is hard. I'm a huge huge JPM fan, I don't think his lack of success is because NASCAR is necessarily too hard for him. I honestly believe it has to do with NASCAR wanting guys like Gordon and Johnson winning rather than JPM, the cards are stacked very much against him. There are alot of stupid people that watch NASCAR and don't want 'some foreigner' winning over Dale Jr. Even though there is skill involved, NASCAR is rigged, always has been. True innovators like Smokey Yunick were banned. What does that tell you about NASCARl and the way they run the series? They got rid of the smartest man ever to set foot in a NASCAR garage because he wanted to race, not play politics. NASCAR is a garbage sport built off of legacy crap technology. 3500 pound cars with carburetors and tires smaller than the ones on a mid sized sedan is just plain stupid. It's a recipe for wrecks and that's exactly what the series is built on and engineered for. The fact that you are guaranteed to see at a minimum of once per race, a tire fail resulting in a car spearing into a wall at very high speed tells me there's some very very wrong with that car and that series. There isn't a single racing series anywhere in the world where at least one tire failure happens, much less assumed and prepared for. I cannot see where anyone could be okay with this, theres no excuse for that and it's engineered right into the cars themselves. I don't need NASCAR to decide the kind of racing I see, that's the teams and drivers job.

Kimi going to NASCAR is going to be flash in the pan. He won't be around long not because he doesn't have the talent but because NASCAR won't want him. Despite everything they will say and all the coverage they'll give him, minuscule at best, he won't sell tickets like a fistfight will. I applaud him for trying and having the fortune of being able to do so on his own terms, but NASCAR doesn't want him. They'll make more money of a worthless driver like Danica Patrick than they ever will with Kimi. He has re talent, but he won't do anything or go anywhere because NASCAR could care less about him.

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^^^ admittedly I can't find a single thing in your last post to disagree with. :(
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djos wrote:^^^ admittedly I can't find a single thing in your last post to disagree with. :(
My name is Emanuele and i approve of this message.

...unfortunately...

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i also agree with rays sentiments
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Ray wrote:They allow GoodYear to continue to make tires that are guaranteed to spectacularly fail at least once a race.
Don't get started on --- you don't have a damn clue about.
Ray wrote:I honestly believe it has to do with NASCAR wanting guys like Gordon and Johnson winning rather than JPM, the cards are stacked very much against him. There are alot of stupid people that watch NASCAR and don't want 'some foreigner' winning over Dale Jr. Even though there is skill involved, NASCAR is rigged, always has been.
Are there fans who would much rather see an American win races and titles in NASCAR rather than foreigners? Sure. Thankfully, the fans don't control the races.

Every week, you know what the rules are. You build your car, engineers get the best setup they can, driver hops in and away you go. It's not like the governing body has some big switchboard control panel during the race where they can press a button and make one guy's engine go down a cylinder or some BS like that. From a competition standpoint, nothing is stacked against anyone.
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...with all that said, I'd love to see the series with:

1. Open rules for mechanical differentials.
2. Bigger front splitters.
3. Minimum weight about 300-400 pounds lighter.
4. Larger wheels and tires (this is a series that actually needs it!)
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Jersey Tom wrote:...with all that said, I'd love to see the series with:

1. Open rules for mechanical differentials.
2. Bigger front splitters.
3. Minimum weight about 300-400 pounds lighter.
4. Larger wheels and tires (this is a series that actually needs it!)
At least NASCAR are finally getting Fuel Injection next year and a control Maclaren ECU to bring NASCAR into the 90's!

The current NASCAR raving about E15 is a bit of a joke tho imo especially considering V8SC has been running E85 for 3 seasons now! (and it's made from waste products left over from sugar processing that would have normally been thrown away instead of from "fuel crops" that waste valuable food growing land)
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Jersey Tom wrote:Every week, you know what the rules are. You build your car, engineers get the best setup they can, driver hops in and away you go. It's not like the governing body has some big switchboard control panel during the race where they can press a button and make one guy's engine go down a cylinder or some BS like that. From a competition standpoint, nothing is stacked against anyone.
Every week the rules change. And yes, the governing body does have a big switchboard control panel where they can press a button...it is called the "Yellow flag for Debris on the field".

Part of NASCARs allure are the spectacular accidents and the systematic bunching of the field so that the final laps can be won with a pass on the final few corners. If they didnt throw those imaginary yellow flags, racers would have to pit during green therefore losing HUGE time and possibly many laps.

Ray was semi-correct when he said it was WWF for cars. I dont believe the races are scripted for certain people to win. I dont think that is possible. But i do believe the Good -vs- bad and amazing crashes are more importat to the fans than the actual racing.

Raikkonen will have his work cut out for him when he starts racing. None of the "Regulars" will care if he is there or not and his ICE1 team will surely not be at the front of the pack. He isnt hot-headded enough for the fans to like him. His nickname is The Ice Man for gods sake. That isnt what NASCAR fans want.

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Well, having worked in a couple roles in NASCAR both as a supplier and on a team... funny how no one I've worked with has had those opinions. But I guess the guys at home know best.

Granted there are plenty of frustrations, but those are mainly with regard to limitations in what equipment/hardware you can use.
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