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Team: Paddy Lowe (TD), Tim Goss (DE), Martin Whitmarsh (TP)
Drivers: Lewis Hamilton (3), Jenson Button (4)
You can normally see the fins of the radiator. Here's a launch car imagemx_tifosi wrote:Looks normal to me, except for the gauze-thing on the inlet for KERS cooling.
This raises a great question, was the octopus actually a device that was planned to be used in competition OR was it just to blow the exhaust on different parts of the diffuser, as a testing device to evaluate the best possible use of the exhaust in the right places?Coefficient wrote:l4mbch0ps wrote:I think you're mad if you think the exhaust system used in melbourne is anything other than "oh hey, RedBull's exhaust is a neat idea and our idea didn't work right yet, lets copy theirs".
Well no offence, but I think you're a little mad to think that a team the size of Mclaren didn't have this design under evaluation before they saw it on the Red Bull. The unification of design doesn't come *solely* from copying - it also comes from disparate groups of people coming to the same conclusions independently.
At the end of the day, the solution they brought to melbourne isn't that different to what they had at Spa last year. You talk as if EBDs are a new thing and everyone is rushing to copy Red Bull. All the big teams have used EBD devices in myriad different forms on numerous cars over the years. Mclaren had it on the 18A actually. To say they hadn't thought of this as an option is foolish because the turn around time to integrate this concept into their car is way too long to just do it on a whim and hope it works. You seem to suggest that taking a few photos of the Red Bull and carving something up in the shed that looks similar would do the trick, that is nonesense!!
Yup, commentators just confirmed it. Apparently they didn't like the new carbon fibre one.hollowBallistix wrote:granted I was half asleep this morning watching FP3, but i'm sure both he McLaren cars are now sporting the Titanium Diffuser again
You raise a very interesting point and one that I think fits well with the sort of testing philosophy we have seen from McLaren where they seem to focus as much on data acquisition as outright performance.speedsense wrote: This raises a great question, was the octopus actually a device that was planned to be used in competition OR was it just to blow the exhaust on different parts of the diffuser, as a testing device to evaluate the best possible use of the exhaust in the right places?
Maybe the "failure" was only the failure of the testing device but yielded knowledge when it was working. Seems to me that they have many "hydraulic" and "exhaust" failures. Maybe the hydraulics where operating the octopus to open valving blowing the exhaust in different areas thus allowing differences per each lap of the areas being blown.
Just maybe Mclaren has gained an insight that Red Bull doesn't have??? The progression through the season will be telling And if the device actually gets run in competition at some point.....
A great performance in qualy today but it showed they havent pulled it out the bag with the revised floor again though. Practice 2 showed T1E (the new floor) was slightly better than the old one but its was a smaller difference than expected so they returned to the tried and tested one.kalinka wrote:Must be fearsome for RBR what McL has done in just few weeks. That's an awesome development pace.
So it performed better and McLaren could have been in pole position ... For what God's sake would they bin a pole ?thestig84 wrote:A great performance in qualy today but it showed they havent pulled it out the bag with the revised floor again though. Practice 2 showed T1E (the new floor) was slightly better than the old one but its was a smaller difference than expected so they returned to the tried and tested one.kalinka wrote:Must be fearsome for RBR what McL has done in just few weeks. That's an awesome development pace.
Just have to make sure the rushed floor that performed well was not a one off and future developments deliver on promises. Malaysia hasnt quite proved that.
Reliability. They had problems last year with the diffuser and floor warping due to the exhaust heat. I'd imagine they want to be sure the same thing wouldn't happen this time.Javert wrote:So it performed better and McLaren could have been in pole position ... For what God's sake would they bin a pole ?thestig84 wrote:A great performance in qualy today but it showed they havent pulled it out the bag with the revised floor again though. Practice 2 showed T1E (the new floor) was slightly better than the old one but its was a smaller difference than expected so they returned to the tried and tested one.kalinka wrote:Must be fearsome for RBR what McL has done in just few weeks. That's an awesome development pace.
Just have to make sure the rushed floor that performed well was not a one off and future developments deliver on promises. Malaysia hasnt quite proved that.