Team: Paddy Lowe (TD), Tim Goss (DE), Martin Whitmarsh (TP)
Drivers: Lewis Hamilton (3), Jenson Button (4)
I think if you omitted the word "exact" you might get less negative responses.BreezyRacer wrote:Look at the exit position, the exhaust laid flat, the slot design between the tire and the diffuser box then tell me it's not an exact copy. It is. That's what I'm talking about ..
Your words not mine!! Sorry but there is clearly a performance advantage from blowing the outer edges of the diffuser (as scarbs said ages ago). Most probably most of the teams will converge on this design. Williams said they will have it in Turkey. For me this is not remotely like copying the F-duct. That was totally original one off idea....this is an exhaust position most teams would end up with anyway.BreezyRacer wrote:
I'm just another moron BTW.
Yeah, I agree it is an exact copy if you look on the mechanics of it. Down to the triangular undecut off the floor downstream of the exhaust pipe exit was copied.BreezyRacer wrote:So I guess Newey decided to help his old team, eh? That's an EXACT copy of the RB design, so it's new for this week. Well they say imitation is the sincere-est form of flattery ..
How pathetic the McLaren design staff must feel ..
The Ferrari version is close but it's not the same, because it is missing the triangular undercut downstream of the exhaust. That may be why it is not as effective.Poleman wrote:I havent seen you moaning about this though...BreezyRacer wrote:Look at the exit position, the exhaust laid flat, the slot design between the tire and the diffuser box then tell me it's not an exact copy. It is. That's what I'm talking about ..
Is your copying problem related to McLaren only?
RBR is the one who "copied" McLaren. Example? Steering wheel.. even though it was an idea of Newey, i believe that if you work with company A... and u create a product with company A then.. is that yours or the property of company A? Answering this first before you argue........avatar wrote:@ messrs"EXACT copy"
clearly MCL copied the Red cars instead then!
"Who copied who" is just noise. best ignored. There is copying in F1, there is also inspiration & convergent design.
In fact,there's rarely something that's not been applied in at least a related form in motorsport, but if you're going to expand that to things that have "been around since WW2" (& I'm assuming you're not suggesting there was an F-duct in WW2 era motorsport) then all the cars on the grid are pretty much useless derivitive pieces of crap.
They're not. They are massively intricate engineering achievments. It's about the application of ideas as much as the ideas themselves.
Get over it.
then later in this year.... RBR accused McLaren stole their idea just like Ferrari accused Mclaren....avatar wrote:@ messrs"EXACT copy"
clearly MCL copied the Red cars instead then!
"Who copied who" is just noise. best ignored. There is copying in F1, there is also inspiration & convergent design.
In fact,there's rarely something that's not been applied in at least a related form in motorsport, but if you're going to expand that to things that have "been around since WW2" (& I'm assuming you're not suggesting there was an F-duct in WW2 era motorsport) then all the cars on the grid are pretty much useless derivitive pieces of crap.
They're not. They are massively intricate engineering achievments. It's about the application of ideas as much as the ideas themselves.
Get over it.
and... McLaren have to pay another 100 Million!!! 
Good point..though I dont' know, the switches are different, some of the buttons are different, the thumb "forms" are different and even the carbon weave is different..... maybe he gets by the claim on the small things?chepoi wrote:RBR is the one who "copied" McLaren. Example? Steering wheel.. even though it was an idea of Newey, i believe that if you work with company A... and u create a product with company A then.. is that yours or the property of company A? Answering this first before you argue........avatar wrote:@ messrs"EXACT copy"
clearly MCL copied the Red cars instead then!
"Who copied who" is just noise. best ignored. There is copying in F1, there is also inspiration & convergent design.
In fact,there's rarely something that's not been applied in at least a related form in motorsport, but if you're going to expand that to things that have "been around since WW2" (& I'm assuming you're not suggesting there was an F-duct in WW2 era motorsport) then all the cars on the grid are pretty much useless derivitive pieces of crap.
They're not. They are massively intricate engineering achievments. It's about the application of ideas as much as the ideas themselves.
Get over it.
Once upon a time....
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