Ferrari front wing

Tom · Post 05 Apr 2006, 20:46

Without meaning to encure your wrath Manchild, it is technically legal.

Although it is clearly an infringement of the rules, it passed the test and is officially considered safe and legal, also, I must say that Williams would have done the same if such an opertunity had arissen in their hay day, and although it is clearly vandalising records such as the one you mentioned, I think its good that the teams have found it. F1 is about technological advances. Unfortunetly it is not always for good esspecially if a rival team finds it first.

RacingManiac · Post 05 Apr 2006, 22:08

ever worked on a race car with any sorts of cable thats capable of doing that(throttle, clutch, shifter...etc), they are not exactly the easiest thing to work with, and then there is the requirement of changing a nose cone in 30 sec in a pit stop....and then there is the fact that most team puts all their nose cones out front when they are working on the car anyway....

if thinking it is something that the evil Ferrari and Michael Schumacher does to gain an advantage, and that helps you sleep at night, then whatever floats your boat......

kilcoo316 · Post 05 Apr 2006, 22:30

manchild wrote:Jep... right... cable for camera or ride height sensor or whatever needs to be 6 or 7 mm thick and round because those devices require 380V 25A power source and cable capable for it.

Who shot JFK manchild?

*Just out of interest

Why bother with anything less than 5 or 7.5 mm cable?

Oh, and 25A would require a helluva lot more than a 7.5mm thick cable

zac510 · Post 06 Apr 2006, 00:45

RH1300S's post was laced with sarcasm

scarbs · Post 06 Apr 2006, 11:24

On the point of Ferrari racing with illegal wings, I think it’s a case of give a dog a bad name. A lot of teams have flexi wings, TV footage shows front wings flexing in torsion,bargeboards moving down, wing fences moving, flip ups progressively deflecting. I know for a fact (their aero heads have told me) that teams use flexing carbon for wing profiles for this reason, I also know for a fact that one team have used a spirng inside their wing to "meet" the deflection tests. All the teams use this aero elasticity, even the CFD companies are workign with the carbon layup and FEA software to merge simulations, to make the parts design elastic from the very outset.

Q, Is it not strange that other teams choose to mount their cascade\Bi plane flap away from the nose cone? Is it not because they couldn't mount it with out it a sliding mount or that it might stop the whole wing from flexing?

scarbs · Post 06 Apr 2006, 11:29

Here are close ups of the wire, I do not believe this is anything suspiscious.

Image1
This is a close up of the end of the Cable, clearly it is a thin cable in a clear sheath (polythene or similar?)

Image2
The cable appears to come from the area where the front wing is mounted, addign to my suggestion it is the load sensing device in the bottom of the mount

Image3
This is a similar cable\sheath coming from the pushrod hole, again at the top of the pushrod there is a load sensign device.

trendy tramp · Post 06 Apr 2006, 11:40

My first thoughts upon seeing the photographs for the first tinme were also that they were cables to load sensing devices - agree wholeheartedly with Scarbs.

The thought that a team could be running a cable-operated moveable aero device in a nosecone is pure fantasy I believe.

Again, to agree with Scarbs, I believe that every team on the grid will be expoloiting aero-elastic properties in wings and bodywork. F1 is all about maximising the package within the rules - not always within the spirit of the rules one might say though!

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Tom · Post 06 Apr 2006, 11:53

Just found out what it is.

Ferrari are running sensors through the wing endplates to measure the tyre tempreture.

zac510 · Post 06 Apr 2006, 12:31

Well I'll be, a spring in a wing.. That'll give me something to daydream about today at work

Scuderia_Russ · Post 06 Apr 2006, 20:18

manchild wrote: They've earned such approach. Even during first two races of 2006 when "ubermnesch" equilized Senna's pole record by using illegal wings.

Have the F.I.A. found it to fail it's wing tests and declared it illegal then? I must have missed that press release.

manchild · Post 06 Apr 2006, 22:47

Well, I must have missed press release about planned aero update but there certianly was one after FIA gave them a hint that wings used in Bahrain and Malaysia could face detail analysis in case of announced official protest.

Don't tell me that Ferrari made changes because they planned to do so

RacingManiac · Post 06 Apr 2006, 22:52

if it was illegal it would've been declared as so, they tested the wings prior to the race anyway.....the rule was asked to be clarified after the 2nd race and teams were asked to make modification, but nothing was declared as illegal. As far as anyone is concern all the wing(any self respecting F1 team) still and do flex. And they all do so within the lettering of the rule.

RacingManiac · Post 06 Apr 2006, 22:57

On a side note, could the possibility of the envelope that seems to be pushed much further this year, be attributed to the lack of power(comparatively) to the V10, which means the reduction of drag became a heck of a lot more important. Or it has always been like now?

manchild · Post 06 Apr 2006, 23:28

RacingManiac wrote:if it was illegal it would've been declared as so....

Yes but...

1. Two out of 23 members of FIA World Motor Sport Council are from Ferrari.

2. Jean Todt is member of FIA World Motor Sport Council, one of 23 members and his role is representing the Constructors in F1 matters (FIA appointed him on that position - not the consutructors because they don't support him and they've never assigned him to represent them).

3. Marco Piccinini (the former sporting director of Ferrari) is Deputy President of FIA World Motor Sport Council while the President is as you can guess Max Mosley.

4. All remaining 10 teams don't have a single member in FIA World Motor Sport Council.

5. One team has 2 and 10 teams have none - quite impartial isn't it?

zac510 · Post 06 Apr 2006, 23:40

RacingManiac wrote:On a side note, could the possibility of the envelope that seems to be pushed much further this year, be attributed to the lack of power(comparatively) to the V10, which means the reduction of drag became a heck of a lot more important. Or it has always been like now?

I think it is entirely possible that the drop in power has had the effect you mention in the short term, but eventually I think it will 'even out'. Deeper discussion is for a new thread or else tomba will start working the delete button