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[Just_a_fan]

Sure it was mechanically advanced and had a lot such gadgets but it wouldn't be faster than a current F1 car.

Pole Position Spa 1993: 1'47.571
Pole Position Spa 2010: 1'45.778

Only two seconds faster today than 20 years ago!

I would suspect those old Williamses to run in midfield nowadays.

What about the tyre differences? I'd bet that there are 2 seconds between the Goodyears of 20 years ago and the Pirellis of this year. Also, what about changes to the circuit?

In Monza in 1992 the pole time was 1.22.2 , in 2010 it was 1.21.9. And the '92 race had the double chicane at Rettifilo.

[Sebp]

The only significant change to the Spa circuit was done at the bus-stop. If anything, that made the circuit quicker.

[Just_a_fan]

The new bus stop is quicker than the one in use in '93? I'd say so.

[Tamburello]

The new bus stop is quicker than the one in use in '93? I'd say so.

What? lol The old bus stops were always quick corners. Plus qualifying was done with no care for tyre usage or time restrictions, unlike today.

[Tamburello]

What F1 cars should be - the most technically advanced race cars in the world.

Are you saying that the current F1 cars are not the most technically advanced race cars in the world?

Sure it was mechanically advanced and had a lot such gadgets but it wouldn't be faster than a current F1 car.

That's not the same thing at all. And I'd like to see how fast it would be on current tyres. It had plenty of grunt and lots of downforce so it'd be close.

Cars are designed with the tyres in mind, you cannot divorce them of these vital components. Current tyres probably wouldn't even fit the old cars!

[timbo]

In Monza in 1992 the pole time was 1.22.2 , in 2010 it was 1.21.9. And the '92 race had the double chicane at Rettifilo.

That double chicane was quicker.

[kemalcan]

ferrari 641, very smooth and beautiful machine. should have ended the drought before schumacher... (watch out for senna )

[l4mbch0ps]

Re: The arguments about the technical advancement of F1 cars.

The Williams clearly sports more driver aids than our current cars, and therefore is more technically advanced in that fashion. The technical development of the aerodynamics, however, is clearly less advanced then modern cars.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Most people would agree, the Williams is more technically advanced than current cars - due to regulations.

[spinmastermic]

[/quote]Cars are designed with the tyres in mind, you cannot divorce them of these vital components. Current tyres probably wouldn't even fit the old cars![/quote]

They would, last year Bridgestone used the moulds from '97

[moyboy]

F-Duct. I stroke of genius in an era where designs were converging toward one solution. OK, I wasn't an F1 fan when the MP4-25 was revealed but I imagine that there was a collective "WTF?"

[Just_a_fan]

F-Duct. I stroke of genius in an era where designs were converging toward one solution. OK, I wasn't an F1 fan when the MP4-25 was revealed but I imagine that there was a collective "WTF?"

Genius indeed. Newey himself said it was a great idea and he wished he'd thought of it.

There's a whole thread (or two) about it if you want to search for it. Quite funny how people's view polarised.

[Just_a_fan]

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Most people would agree, the Williams is more technically advanced than current cars - due to regulations.

Exactly. The rules were altered to ban these things to slow the cars down. Imagine the RB7 with active suspension, ABS, TC (and KERS and DRS from this season too) and you'd have the logical successor to the FW14B. And it would be so quick it would probably need the circuits to be redesigned...

[Tamburello]

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Most people would agree, the Williams is more technically advanced than current cars - due to regulations.

Exactly. The rules were altered to ban these things to slow the cars down

Except the cars over time haven't really "slowed down" (no lap records remain from "the good old days", for instance), rather the increase in speeds haven't gotten out of hand, as would've been the case if things went unregulated.

[ESPImperium]

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Most people would agree, the Williams is more technically advanced than current cars - due to regulations.

Exactly. The rules were altered to ban these things to slow the cars down. Imagine the RB7 with active suspension, ABS, TC (and KERS and DRS from this season too) and you'd have the logical successor to the FW14B. And it would be so quick it would probably need the circuits to be redesigned...

And with that im sure you could also include the active mass damper, torque transfer bar and take the rev limit off the engines as well.

Im sure that some tracks would probably be at least 10 seconds faster to start with. And even then you could probably find another second or two from set up.

[White Knight]

MP4-20


When it was on, it was gone. Kimi coming from the back at Japan was a fine example of its ability. And his of course.