Turkish GP 2011 - Istanbul

[beelsebob]

I'm hoping the two Red Bulls won't just disappear and there will only be a scrap from 3rd onwards. When Red Bull didn't do a second run I thought the other teams wouldn't bother because they were so far ahead anyway. Well, Vettel was.

I don't think they would. The dirty side in Istanbul has a very pronounced effect. In previous years, at least. I believe the P2 guy in GP2 also was a major klutz at the start.

As I understand it – it shouldn't be anywhere near as bad this year, as the whole track got a nice washing on friday... There's still obviously the disadvantage of rubber quantity, but it shouldn't be too dusty.

[beelsebob]

I didn't much care for him and some of his comments but the way he conducted himself on the podium at Turkey last year made him grow hugely in my estimation. Here was a racer who refused to celebrate because he knew that it was mostly as a result of the misfortune of a colleague who was up there on the podium with him.

Yep, a lot of people criticise him for every victory being his best ever, and he does use the phrase too much when he's just had a great race. It does seem to get forgotten though that when he wins a race that he feels he didn't really deserve to win, he's rather overly subdued too. He's a clearly emotional guy, who likes to win F1 races properly. He considers "properly" to mean beating everyone in the field in a fair fight on the track. Pretty sure that's why JB and he get on so well – they both know they'll fight each other fairly. If only other teams/drivers followed the same philosophy.

[Undead_Mud]

Hey,

Brundle noticed during Qualy, that (I think Schumi's car) the merc was hitting the rev-limiter for a really long time.
I noticed, that the Renault seems to do so for a lot shorter.
Did anybody here follow this on more cars? Could be an indicator, which cars compromise qualy for the race.
On the other hand it could just be, that Mercs DRS is better compared to the Renault DRS.

[Jester Maroc]

I am surprised that no one has mentioned this yet, but looking at the Q3 qualifying times the difference between MS and Rosberg is more than one second. I am sure Rosberg's lap was a monumental achievement but it does raise some serious questions about Michael and his future in the team if he continues to lag behind.

[Robbobnob]

@Undead looking at the speed trap results for the previous GP, its interesting to note which teams are sacrificing the top speed at which event

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... _trap.html

for example renault were the fastest at China, but mercedes were at Malaysia

[marcush.]

I think this Scumi debate will not even stop when he´s winning a race...the guy is top material ,end of story and if there was a feasible alternative -read more potential-then Mercedes would have pulled the plug long ago.

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Weather report anyone?

[Jester Maroc]

Hey,

Brundle noticed during Qualy, that (I think Schumi's car) the merc was hitting the rev-limiter for a really long time.
I noticed, that the Renault seems to do so for a lot shorter.
Did anybody here follow this on more cars? Could be an indicator, which cars compromise qualy for the race.
On the other hand it could just be, that Mercs DRS is better compared to the Renault DRS.

Well it could be that Renault are simply running higher down force settings although that does not make sense if they have soft suspension. Another explanation could be higher gear ratios.

[Undead_Mud]

@Robbobnob
Thanks a lot. Could have thought of this myself. Interesting data indeed.
Merc was among the fastest in the first three races, 9/10th and 11/13th respectively in China and Turkey.
So a shift towards the race at Mercedes? I'll keep an eye on that, as two races are not really a trend, and Roseberg had decent qualyperformance in China+Turkey as well.

Let's see what they can do. Would be nice to keep the podium and see Schumacher gain some ground at the start.

[MrBlacky]

Hey,

Brundle noticed during Qualy, that (I think Schumi's car) the merc was hitting the rev-limiter for a really long time.
I noticed, that the Renault seems to do so for a lot shorter.
Did anybody here follow this on more cars? Could be an indicator, which cars compromise qualy for the race.
On the other hand it could just be, that Mercs DRS is better compared to the Renault DRS.

I saw Schumi using his Kers + DRS both at the same time after T10. This makes no sense to me at all to use Kers at this location, but this could maybe the reason why he is hitting the limiter all the way longer.

[komninosm]

Heh, the Greek TV announcers complained in a veiled way about people saving tires in Q3 too much. I sort of agree, but I blame the harder option tire for this situation. I am not sure if the problem is that it's too slow or that it doesn't last long enough or a bit of both.
I vote it should last longer, how about you?

[antitomm]

Can massa start on the hard tires considering he did not set a time in q3 yesterday?

[raymondu999]

I didn't much care for him and some of his comments but the way he conducted himself on the podium at Turkey last year made him grow hugely in my estimation. Here was a racer who refused to celebrate because he knew that it was mostly as a result of the misfortune of a colleague who was up there on the podium with him.

Yep, a lot of people criticise him for every victory being his best ever, and he does use the phrase too much when he's just had a great race. It does seem to get forgotten though that when he wins a race that he feels he didn't really deserve to win, he's rather overly subdued too. He's a clearly emotional guy, who likes to win F1 races properly. He considers "properly" to mean beating everyone in the field in a fair fight on the track. Pretty sure that's why JB and he get on so well – they both know they'll fight each other fairly. If only other teams/drivers followed the same philosophy.

I don't hate Ham in any way; except for when he's in front of the camera. Every race seems to be the race/drive/win of his life - it gets boring and old after a while, and it sounds too good to be true (to me, anyways). I wouldn't date Scherzi (not my type) or get studs either; But otherwise he's alright

[komninosm]

Can massa start on the hard tires considering he did not set a time in q3 yesterday?

I think so.

[beelsebob]

The BBC just ran a comparison of Vettel and Webber's qualifying laps and I noticed Vettel was entirely outside the white lines at the exit of turn 10. Why was he not penalised for this?