Turkish GP 2011 - Istanbul

[Tamburello]

But first and foremost, the guy is just too good at the moment. And they changed the points system to a) reward the winner over the other positions, whilst at the same time b) giving more positions points earning places.

Now you can't simply change the rules again or have a case of the sour grapes because Hamilton is losing...lol

[ringo]

But first and foremost, the guy is just too good at the moment. And they changed the points system to a) reward the winner over the other positions, whilst at the same time b) giving more positions points earning places.

Now you can't simply change the rules again or have a case of the sour grapes because Hamilton is losing...lol

Where did i mention Hamilton?

The points system was not to reward wins, it was an incentive to fight for wins, which kind of matched up with the past regs.
We don't need that incentive again, as the races are now more competitive.

And if the old system was used last year, the championship would have been tied between Vettel and Hamilton, Lewis only losing out on count back.

I think Hamilton can beat Vettel this year, despite the car and points disadvantage at the moment, but it's really looking desperate for guys like Alonso and Webber who are driving pretty well but are lightyears away from realistically being in the title fight.

7 points is too much of a cushion IMO.

[Tamburello]

As I figured. You don't actually NEED to mention his name. I know what you mean...

[SiLo]

Hamilton only matched Alonso at Mclaren, but I think the point is that he was a rookie when he did. Anywho, race was great, nice to see different strategies everywhere, and Kobayashi overtaking on the grass at 200MPH!

[Tamburello]

On a side note, did anyone else find Bernie's TV coverage rather inept at times? In particular I can't figure why we were treated to Rosberg going around the lap and not doing much else as Webber was about close in on and overtake Alonso. There were many more inane sequences like this on the directors part.

[zeph]

Yeah, the director was definitely slipping on occasion.

[Ciro Pabón]

The points need to go back to 10-8-6 etc.
Even if Vettel crashes out twice, he's still in it!

They changed to 25 points for what reason again?

The points system should be as close as the racing.

Vettel is baby shumi in every sense, but mostly for the combination of car, driver, teammate and team.

The reason was to give points to people in the back, to even the score a bit.

So, unless you always qualify in the first places, you have a slight advantage over the previous system. The difference is slight but it is against persons that, like Vettel, score consistently on top, not in his favor. Just take the old score (10-8-6...) and multiply by 2.5.

You get the same results for people in the five top positions (almost). The next five receive more points.

Old system x 2.5 = Result > Points today

10 x 2.5 = 25  > 25 Same
8  x 2.5 = 20  > 20 Same
6  x 2.5 = 15  > 15 Same
5  x 2.5 = 12.5> 12 More
4  x 2.5 = 10  > 10 Same
3  x 2.5 = 7.5 >  8 More
2  x 2.5 = 5   >  6 More
1  x 2.5 = 2.5 >  4 More
0  x 2.5 = 0   >  2 More
0  x 2.5 = 0   >  1 More

So, ladies, I'm sure that Vettel, who has been in the top all the year, has received less points than under the old system.

[HampusA]

There really wasn't anything between them at Mclaren, except one was a rookie.

That i´m fully aware of, some of the starts Hamilton did is just highlight reel material like his first ever F1 race.

But he did not beat Alonso in the same machinery. He did extremely good and shut up any doubters about his potential that is for sure.

[Tamburello]

Except that second place gets 18pts, not 20. So clearly there is more of a gap between first place rewards and second place rewards in the new system. 25:18 > 10:8

[HampusA]

I think Hamilton can beat Vettel this year, despite the car and points disadvantage at the moment, but it's really looking desperate for guys like Alonso and Webber who are driving pretty well but are lightyears away from realistically being in the title fight.

The situation with Alonso was worse last year, and that was in the latter part of the season. Still ended up second with 4 points behind Vettel.

It´s not over until the fat lady sings as they say.. Definitely not so early in the season..

[vall]

let see how the big updates of Ferrari and McLaren that are in the pipe for Spain will work. If they fail to close the gap, I fear the season is over. Seb is driving superbly and the more importantly, BR7 is very reliable....

[FrukostScones]

So, ladies, I'm sure that Vettel, who has been in the top all the year, has received less points than under the old system.

Old System winner takes 25,64% of the cake provided.
New System winner takes 24,75% of the cake provided.
Old System winner takes 5,13% more than the second from the pie.
New System winner takes 6,93% more than the second from the pie.
Old System Vettel takes 24,36% of the cake provided in 4 races.
New System Vettel takes 23,01% of the cake provided in 4 races.
Old System Hamilton takes 15,38 % of the cake provided in 4 races.
New System Hamilton takes 14,6% of the cake provided in 4 races.

Ciro is right despite the error with the 18/20 for second place.

[ecapox]

Can someone who has the race recorded please verify this:

On lap 48 or 49 Vettel was behind a Virgin (ha) and he was able to use his DRS in the DRS zone. Correct me if i am wrong, but isnt the DRS only available to those within one second of the position in front of them? I didnt think it was available to pass cars that are a lap down, or about to be a lap down that are in front of you.

[Giblet]

I don't have it recorded but I clearly remember the pass you are speaking of.

I wondered this allowed recently as well, and it's not race position, just track position.

Any time you are following a car within one second on track, you can use it. Myself, I don't think cars should be allowed to use it when passing backmarkers that are getting out of your way anyway.

[andrew]

I understand what a limiter is, this isn't preschool

What I don't know is how the engine is limited. In road cars it usually cuts the fuel for a sec, thus the term 'bouncing on the limiter', but the more I think about it, in a race car it would make far more sense to keep the engine from revving more than 18,000.

I misunderstood the question.

In a road car it is limited by electronics. After that, I'm afraid I run out of knowledge on the matter. Time for some research.