Turkish GP 2011 - Istanbul

[beelsebob]

The point being that Alonso was hot on his tail, and when asked to go faster, Alonso passed him. Webber had no more race pace today. All setting the quickest lap means is that Vettel (unusually) didn't turn it up for 1 lap at the end.

Webber was on used Primes and Alonso was on new primes when he got by Webber, the situation was reversed when Mark got by Fernando to cement his 2nd place.

Perhaps watch the race and the driver interviews next time!

No need to watch again – you're just not understanding the point – Webber was asked to go faster – he couldn't.

[djos]

The point being that Alonso was hot on his tail, and when asked to go faster, Alonso passed him. Webber had no more race pace today. All setting the quickest lap means is that Vettel (unusually) didn't turn it up for 1 lap at the end.

Webber was on used Primes and Alonso was on new primes when he got by Webber, the situation was reversed when Mark got by Fernando to cement his 2nd place.

Perhaps watch the race and the driver interviews next time!

No need to watch again – you're just not understanding the point – Webber was asked to go faster – he couldn't.

At that point in time due to his tires being older than Alonso's, however with new tires he did a 1.29.703 on lap 48 a full 2/10ths faster than what Seb did on lap 50 - the tires are the limiting factor here and this needs to be understood.

[beelsebob]

At that point in time due to his tires being older than Alonso's, however with new tires he did a 1.29.703 on lap 48 a full 2/10ths faster than what Seb did on lap 50 - the tires are the limiting factor here and this needs to be understood.

Absolutely the tyres were limiting him – the point was that Webber's race pace was about as fast as it could be – when asked to go faster he had nothing more, whether he was limited by tyres, skill, engine, downforce, or what, he could not go faster. Based on that, it's pretty reasonable to suggest that McLaren can at least keep up with Webber's pace (if they don't bugger up in oh so many ways), but that Vettel's ultimate pace is still probably a bit beyond them.

[Tamburello]

At that point in time due to his tires being older than Alonso's, however with new tires he did a 1.29.703 on lap 48 a full 2/10ths faster than what Seb did on lap 50 - the tires are the limiting factor here and this needs to be understood.

Absolutely the tyres were limiting him – the point was that Webber's race pace was about as fast as it could be – when asked to go faster he had nothing more, whether he was limited by tyres, skill, engine, downforce, or what, he could not go faster. Based on that, it's pretty reasonable to suggest that McLaren can at least keep up with Webber's pace (if they don't bugger up in oh so many ways), but that Vettel's ultimate pace is still probably a bit beyond them.

It's a lame argument. Webber overworked his tyres when fighting with Rosberg and Hamilton overcooked his tyres when he was fighting Button and co. So yes, Hamilton could have been "faster" but by the same reasoning, so could have Webber, thus maintaining the gap between them.

[sriraj1031]

It's a lame argument. Webber overworked his tyres when fighting with Rosberg and Hamilton overcooked his tyres when he was fighting Button and co. So yes, Hamilton could have been "faster" but by the same reasoning, so could have Webber, thus maintaining the gap between them.

+1 to that, mclaren were messy in turkey and so were their drivers no doubt on that

[Rob W]

I already called it on the tires I think, I agree with most.

BTW, where's the outrage for Massa's unsafe release and driving over the blue line. I recall certain little hypocrites here were up in arms when it was Hamilton doing it...

I agree somwhat. I expected there to be a thread of its own in the main forum crying "Ferrari preference". Honestly, since others have been penalised previously that release warranted it by those standards surely?

Then again...

[Hangaku]

+1 to that, mclaren were messy in turkey and so were their drivers no doubt on that

Thanks for your input, it's a great contribution :yawn:

As for the race, I thought it was ridiculous. It's not like watching F1 any more, it feels more like an unpredictable game show, where anything could happen at any moment, for seemingly no reason.

The tires go off far too fast, within one lap you can lose 2 seconds on your lap time, meaning ultimately you can't be RACEY if you want to be ahead, because you have to concede soon after.

There isn't enough difference between the hard and soft tires. Hard should last > 10 laps longer than they currently do, ofsetting the loss in lap times. At the minute, nobody wants to use them but they simply have to, which is nonsense.

There just isn't enough room (for the large majority) to have a different strategy and make it work. Vettel in this race was an exception, because he didn't have to be racey, but unless you were on the same strategy as everyone else, you lost out (Button).

DRS was a joke, overtaking was far too easy.

[andrew]

You seem to have selective amnesia every race you ask the same question and you get the same answers.
The BOSS moniker is similar to Prost being The Professor.

It's not a matter of what non hamilton fans think you see. It's what's he's doing to his teammates year in year out.

Would you rather TDG......... the driving god?

I just don't see what he is the boss of and have yet to see a suitable explanation. Prost being called the Professor was obvious. I have never been a fan of driver nicknames and would prefer proper names to be used to avoid confusion and I would certainly not call Hamilton the boss.

[Pedro]

Pit-stop sumamry




Stints



yellow = soft; grey = hard tyre; star = unused, fresh set

[Insomniac]

Pit-stop summary

Vettel's pit-stop times are just insane: 3.3, 2.8, 2.9 and 3.1. In a season where three or four pit-stops are common, you can really gain an edge over the competition in the time it takes to change tires, and RedBull knows this and dominates in this area. McLaren and Ferrari take note!

[beelsebob]

You seem to have selective amnesia every race you ask the same question and you get the same answers.
The BOSS moniker is similar to Prost being The Professor.

It's not a matter of what non hamilton fans think you see. It's what's he's doing to his teammates year in year out.

Would you rather TDG......... the driving god?

I just don't see what he is the boss of and have yet to see a suitable explanation. Prost being called the Professor was obvious. I have never been a fan of driver nicknames and would prefer proper names to be used to avoid confusion and I would certainly not call Hamilton the boss.

He's the boss because when certain people ended up in the same team as him they expected to be able to boss the rookie around, and had quite the reverse happen.

[vall]

where the "star = unused, fresh set" information comes from? Somebody claimed Fred overtook Webber because at the time Webber was on used hard and Fred on new, and later the situation was reversed and Webber overtook Fred. According to your statistics, only the second is correct.

It seems Fred overtook Webber on equal tires.

[djos]

where the "star = unused, fresh set" information comes from? Somebody claimed Fred overtook Webber because at the time Webber was on used hard and Fred on new, and later the situation was reversed and Webber overtook Fred. According to your statistics, only the second is correct.

It seems Fred overtook Webber on equal tires.

Mark did stop earlier than Alonso but Mark said:

“I had a new set of prime tyres for my last stint,” says Mark, “and the car felt good. On lap 51 I got a run on Fernando in the DRS zone and we were side-by-side through Turns 12, 13 and 14.

I took that to mean he was on older tires for stint 3 but according to the graph Alonso had used tires for stint 4.

[Hangaku]

I just don't see what he is the boss of and have yet to see a suitable explanation. Prost being called the Professor was obvious. I have never been a fan of driver nicknames and would prefer proper names to be used to avoid confusion and I would certainly not call Hamilton the boss.

I don't know why there are some here that are making up the reasons for his nickname, but it was something given to him on F1T, because when he first joined McLaren the Boss (Hugo Boss) logo on his car was where the driver's name traditionally was, so he was called "The Boss".

That's the real reason, so if you don't find it suitable then that's your issue

[djos]

I don't know why there are some here that are making up the reasons for his nickname, but it was something given to him on F1T, because when he first joined McLaren the Boss (Hugo Boss) logo on his car was where the driver's name traditionally was, so he was called "The Boss".

That's the real reason, so if you don't find it suitable then that's your issue

This explanation certainly matches my memory of its first use - I think it was smikle who started it while others decided to use it sarcastically .