Turkish GP 2011 - Istanbul

[FrukostScones]

Looks like Goldie boy has golden pitstops too.

Yes, horribly fast. Even faster than the notoriuosly quick Mercedes crew.
Nothing against Vettel. But in the race I hoped that the pitstops would add some drama, but then the commentators were talking about 20.6s pitstop... I thought..Jesus....bloody hell!

Kobra Koba on the grass:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fru6cEFulz0[/youtube]

[andrew]

How may people have died when not using their seatbelt?
How many have been unjured when two F1 cars fo side by side.

Your logic is flawed here.

Was Hamilton pitting or did he already pitted? Big difference there.

My logic is perfectly sound! It's called accident prevention! I take it you are happy for the mechanics to get run over? Are they desposible and new ones readily available off the shelf in Tescos?

Hamilton pitting or already pitted is irrelevant. The fact is Ferrari performed an unsafe release. This is undeniable.

Accident prevention is a fantasy word. Lower the speed limit if you want "accident prevention" Strap all the piut crew with giant pillows, strap everybody close to an F1 car with giant pillows. then we can talk about real accident prevention.

What Ferrari did has been done by every single team out there. Nothing wrong with that according to FIA. Massa did tuck in behind Hamilton so i can´t see the problem.

Vettel and Alonso i think had the same issue last year where Vettel tried to push him to the right. The only mechanics close by was the ones infront of the guy that just pitted holding the air hoses.

Make everything out of rubber and remove the drivers and spectators if you want some real accident prevention.

What you are saying is just silly.

Oy(!)

[beelsebob]

Accident prevention is a fantasy word. Lower the speed limit if you want "accident prevention" Strap all the piut crew with giant pillows, strap everybody close to an F1 car with giant pillows. then we can talk about real accident prevention.

What Ferrari did has been done by every single team out there. Nothing wrong with that according to FIA. Massa did tuck in behind Hamilton so i can´t see the problem.

Vettel and Alonso i think had the same issue last year where Vettel tried to push him to the right. The only mechanics close by was the ones infront of the guy that just pitted holding the air hoses.

Make everything out of rubber and remove the drivers and spectators if you want some real accident prevention.

What you are saying is just silly.

Okay, lets remove helmets, hans devices, monocoques, crash structures, wheel tethers, ...

[HampusA]

Or just stay logical and realise that two wide in the pits is far less dangerous then people overshooting their pit box or not putting on a tire correctly which flys a way at a dangerously high speed or refuelling that causes the whole pit crew to catch fire.

Or the most logical, lower the pit speed in the pit lane. Probably won´t happen due to the overheating issues or so.

Two-wide in pits where the "slower" guy will automatically tuck in behind is the least of their problems.

[andrew]

Okay, lets remove helmets, hans devices, monocoques, crash structures, wheel tethers, ...

That's good sarcasim! =D>

[roost89]

@HampusA Indeed no-one was hurt and it's reasonably common, however one cannot use that as a justification for keeping allowing it. Having two cars pass inches from you at 60 miles per hour (pit lane speed) is hardly a matter which can be thrown away. I doubt most people would think it safe to change a wheel at the side of a motorway with cars passing them at 60mph.

That same logic is why it is not safe in F1.

It not being disallowed in the rules also doesn't justify it being done.

There are peoples lives at risk, an impact at that speed with wings, reasonably sharp (in comparison to the front of a road car) would cause some severe injuries. If some was caught. Dare I say, even if someone was clipped, some damage would occur. The only protection they have is a helmet. Overalls and gloves are hardly protection in this case.

I do agree with Tazio on this and to some degree with Andrew.
I think the safe release rule should be tightened up to disallow this action.

[Steven]

Interesting in the pitstops is also how quick Adrian Sutil's stops were. Now let's see how his teammate Di Resta fared... oh wait he's missing from the statistic

[komninosm]

I watched the graph and the live timing. The only difference was instead of losing almost 2 sec a lap to the leaders untill lap 35, Hamilton started to lap within tenths and sometimes faster than the leaders. If he was to keep up, he shouldv showed that pace the whole race, wich he didnt.

No, what you really said was:
"Only 3 or 4 laps. Even when Hamilton got pace later in the race, the others still beat him with several tenths per lap, hence the distance."
I hate to make people look like liars twisting their own words, but facts are facts.

[Tamburello]

I didn't much care for him and some of his comments but the way he conducted himself on the podium at Turkey last year made him grow hugely in my estimation. Here was a racer who refused to celebrate because he knew that it was mostly as a result of the misfortune of a colleague who was up there on the podium with him.

Yep, a lot of people criticise him for every victory being his best ever, and he does use the phrase too much when he's just had a great race. It does seem to get forgotten though that when he wins a race that he feels he didn't really deserve to win, he's rather overly subdued too. He's a clearly emotional guy, who likes to win F1 races properly. He considers "properly" to mean beating everyone in the field in a fair fight on the track. Pretty sure that's why JB and he get on so well – they both know they'll fight each other fairly. If only other teams/drivers followed the same philosophy.

Are you guys serious? that's not why he looked that way in Turkey '10. More to do with having Button attack him after he was told that wouldn't happen and to save fuel.

That's not what he said in the press conference where he explicitly mentioned the misfortunes of Webber as the reason that he felt the victory was hollow and why he didn't celebrate. Button's move may have contributed to his gloomy demeanor as well, I'm not discounting that as a possibility.

[komninosm]

I already called it on the tires I think, I agree with most.

BTW, where's the outrage for Massa's unsafe release and driving over the blue line. I recall certain little hypocrites here were up in arms when it was Hamilton doing it...

I agree somwhat. I expected there to be a thread of its own in the main forum crying "Ferrari preference". Honestly, since others have been penalised previously that release warranted it by those standards surely?

Then again...

As I said in a previous similar situation to another poster, there's just no justice (in F1 or this forum).

F1 2010 Montreal GP Hamilton Alonso Pit Battle :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OYoAeA7U9w
Again similar thing. What I get out of all this is that I was right back then calling Vettel an @$$ because he's the only one who has been in a similar situation that has actively "pushed" the other car towards the mechanics. And some people here kept missing that fact.

On second thought Massa was released a bit later than others in similar situations. He didn't have wheel-spin or slow start as a cause to go alongside the other car like Ham-Vet incident.

[komninosm]

It does matter because nobody that i can ever recall has ever been injured by two cars going two-wide in pitlane.

As far as Ferrari, they were the ones going into the the pitbox therefore it´s 100% mclaren´s choice to either have a crash or to let Massa slip past.

You clearly know nothing about health and safety and accident prevention.

To apply your logic, I will not wear a seat belt when driving but will only do so once I have gone head first through the windscreen.

Hamilton was nearly alongside the Ferrari pit box when Ferrari released Massa, only for Massa to find a McLaren in his way. Unsafe release by Ferrari, open and shut case with no questions to my mind.

I think Hampus is talking about the second incident, when Massa was pitting and Hamilton was stopped by his lollipop man from being released into him (after his disastrous stop with the front wheel nut being stuck).

[raymondu999]

Interesting in the pitstops is also how quick Adrian Sutil's stops were. Now let's see how his teammate Di Resta fared... oh wait he's missing from the statistic

Wasn't that because he retired early on though? But I seem to remember him getting at least 1 or 2 pitstops in...

[Pedro]

Interesting in the pitstops is also how quick Adrian Sutil's stops were. Now let's see how his teammate Di Resta fared... oh wait he's missing from the statistic

He is not missing as the original article at F1news.cz analyses just classified drivers. Glock is missing for the same reason, logical.

Wasn't that because he retired early on though? But I seem to remember him getting at least 1 or 2 pitstops in...

Yeap, he had 3 pitstops but retired on 44th lap. There's no point of analysing unclassified drivers' strategies from my point of view.

[Richard]

After the reprimand in China in April 2010 one would have thought another reprimand would be issued for this incident.

Its one thing to be released too soon due to momentary lapse of concentration, but it is quite another thing to drive side by side to the end of the pit lane. Massa only had to lift off the gas to slip in behind Hamilton.

[raymondu999]

Btw, did anyone get a clear look when Hamilton wanted to scamper off when the lollipop wasn't up yet? Was he just feeling when the rear end of the car slammed down to the floor or something?