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F1 will see a complete change in engine regulations in 2014, and we're having a closer look at what that means exactly
Turbocharged motorbike engines on YouTube? A turbo Hayabusa (1.3litres) should give some idea...?Holm86 wrote:....So we can get some indication of the sound....
So one of the reasons is that the formula --aparently-- failed to attract new suppliers. But, do they think that any new manufacturer will come if they keep the current one? I dont think so.Manufacturers To Drop Support For 2013 Engines
The 2013 engine rules are on the cusp of being scrapped. In interviews with Blick and Auto Motor und Sport this week, F1 chief executive Bernie Ecclestone slammed the four-cylinder turbo formula as "a joke".
He is backed by Ferrari, and F1's other engine manufacturers are now set to join the same argument about sticking with the current 2.4 litre V8s beyond next season.
FIA president Jean Todt has committed to meeting with the engine manufacturers in Barcelona on Saturday, and according to Ecclestone their message should be clear.
"The FIA made its decision based on false assumptions, without considering the side effects," said the 80-year-old.
"The manufacturers and the teams need to go to the FIA and say they have thought about it and concluded that while the decision seemed right then, from today's perspective it is wrong," added Ecclestone.
Auto Motor und Sport said the manufacturers' argument to Todt will be simple: that they cannot afford to build competitive four-cylinder turbos by 2013.
Even Mercedes has reportedly changed its position, concerned that with Renault not committing to F1 for the long term, it may have to supply more customer teams.
"We cannot do that," said Norbert Haug. "We support the four cylinder only if there is a guarantee that the costs will be reduced by 30 per cent over a period of five years."
Meanwhile, paddock rumours suggest that Craig Pollock's 'Pure' engine plans for 2013 are part of a political move to prove that the turbo formula can attract new suppliers.
Enticing Honda and Toyota to return, however - or luring the Volkswagen Group - has apparently failed, leaving F1's existing players wondering if it is a good move to throw away the proven V8 formula.
"The question is can we afford such a change?" Renault team boss Eric Boullier told F1's official website.
"All in all it is important that we don't take the wrong decision in terms of the sport's fans and its future," he said.
Does not losing 1 manufacturer count as a gain?agip wrote:So one of the reasons is that the formula --aparently-- failed to attract new suppliers. But, do they think that any new manufacturer will come if they keep the current one? I dont think so.
The article is a piece of crap. The assertions are untrue and mainly fabricated. Of the existing four manufacturers two (Cosworth and Renault) support the turbo engines unconditionally. Mercedes say that they support it if they do not have to supply more teams. This is highly unlikely considering that Cosworth and Renault will supply at least eight or nine teams. If you add three by Mercedes and one by Ferrari you have twelve or thirteen teams. No need for Mercedes to supply more than the three they do now.agip wrote:So one of the reasons is that the formula --aparently-- failed to attract new suppliers. But, do they think that any new manufacturer will come if they keep the current one? I dont think so.Manufacturers To Drop Support For 2013 Engines
The 2013 engine rules are on the cusp of being scrapped. In interviews with Blick and Auto Motor und Sport this week, F1 chief executive Bernie Ecclestone slammed the four-cylinder turbo formula as "a joke".
He is backed by Ferrari, and F1's other engine manufacturers are now set to join the same argument about sticking with the current 2.4 litre V8s beyond next season.
FIA president Jean Todt has committed to meeting with the engine manufacturers in Barcelona on Saturday, and according to Ecclestone their message should be clear.
"The FIA made its decision based on false assumptions, without considering the side effects," said the 80-year-old.
"The manufacturers and the teams need to go to the FIA and say they have thought about it and concluded that while the decision seemed right then, from today's perspective it is wrong," added Ecclestone.
Auto Motor und Sport said the manufacturers' argument to Todt will be simple: that they cannot afford to build competitive four-cylinder turbos by 2013.
Even Mercedes has reportedly changed its position, concerned that with Renault not committing to F1 for the long term, it may have to supply more customer teams.
"We cannot do that," said Norbert Haug. "We support the four cylinder only if there is a guarantee that the costs will be reduced by 30 per cent over a period of five years."
Meanwhile, paddock rumours suggest that Craig Pollock's 'Pure' engine plans for 2013 are part of a political move to prove that the turbo formula can attract new suppliers.
Enticing Honda and Toyota to return, however - or luring the Volkswagen Group - has apparently failed, leaving F1's existing players wondering if it is a good move to throw away the proven V8 formula.
"The question is can we afford such a change?" Renault team boss Eric Boullier told F1's official website.
"All in all it is important that we don't take the wrong decision in terms of the sport's fans and its future," he said.
This will be interesting to follow, don't you agree WB?WhiteBlue wrote:You can start eating. P.U.R.E.'s launch has cemented the legality of the engine rule. Todt will fight very hard to stop Ecclestone and Ferrari, who are the only opponents.xpensive wrote:Nobody wants the four-pot formula in 2013, why it will not happen, or I'll eat an entire Caterham vehicle.
I agree, but the outcome is not going to change unless a political manoeuvre changes the voting mojorities. With the Concord and F1 ownership up in the air there is some potential for strange coalitions and surprising decisions.xpensive wrote:This will be interesting to follow, don't you agree WB?WhiteBlue wrote:You can start eating. P.U.R.E.'s launch has cemented the legality of the engine rule. Todt will fight very hard to stop Ecclestone and Ferrari, who are the only opponents.xpensive wrote:Nobody wants the four-pot formula in 2013, why it will not happen, or I'll eat an entire Caterham vehicle.
Wasnt Cosworth one of the first teams to embrace the new turbo formulae?? And now they are ditching it too ...xpensive wrote:Well, when some people believe that Cosworth and their teams carried enough weight to persuade the FIA to ban the EBD,
if only for a couple of hours, how about this then?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91544
Which begs the question, which engine manufacturer(s) wanted the four-pot formula from 2013 in the first place, I don't get it?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w39wcmDj2Rg[/youtube]xpensive wrote:Which begs the question, which engine manufacturer(s) wanted the four-pot formula from 2013 in the first place, I don't get it?