Virgin MVR-02 Cosworth

[siwillems]

This was clearly the best weekend they've had so far this year. Glock was actually able to fight with other cars, which must be a morale boost for him. It also shows that the car has some mechanical grip, which might come handy at Montreal aswell. Let's hope they can get the aero sorted out and start consistently to give the Lotuses some hard time.

Exactly.

If there is a further upgrade for canada then fingers crossed they are getting a real worlds understanding of the car, and are able to get good validation data confiming or not the CFD data.

I'd like to see virgin developing the car in this measured way as it allows them to develop, test, understand and evaluate with each cycle. With the advantage that each evolution of the car gives the foundation of knowledge and understanding for future designs. [-o< [-o< [-o<

[marcush.]

when Mercedes struggles to find the sweet point of their car with confidence,I wonder if Virgin is able to do so .
Maybe they don´t need to constantly change but understand properly what they have.It might be better than we think.

[TzeiTzei]

when Mercedes struggles to find the sweet point of their car with confidence,I wonder if Virgin is able to do so .
Maybe they don´t need to constantly change but understand properly what they have.It might be better than we think.

You've got a point. I believe the term is "unlocking the potential". The Turkey upgrade seemed like a complete failure, but maybe there is some pace in that car especially if they get the EBD working. They didn't run that in Monaco. Btw Pat Symonds said that the mapping for EBD takes around 15 days, 3 engines and 500-750k€. So no wonder it's taking it's time to get working.

From what i've heard they will have a typical Canada upgrade with a low-downforce configuration.

[ESPImperium]

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This i think would be a step forward for the team. A works engine from Mercedes with bespoke KERS and the same rear end that McLaren have and the same rear end they supply Force India. I think this will show what is being shown at Team Lotus at present, a proven package mated to a smaller team that has potential with the right technichal leadership would be a leap into the midfeild for Virgin.

If they were wise, they would go and get one of the free TDs that are floating arround at present, there are more than a few.

[nacho]

They are not continuing with Wirth anymore, interesting to see if they still continue with updates or just give up.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91924

[ESPImperium]

All up and coming updates have been certified and signed off from design and have or are just about to get produced so id recon that their Valencia/Silverstone update will be their last of the season and they will do a Hispania for the rest of the season and optomise what they have the same way the Hispania F110 went thru in 2010.

I just hope that Virgin and Hispania can step forward into the establised midfeild in 2012 with their new relationships and facilities that are beinf forged. Looks like Formula 1 is going to become a stronger entity with them and not without them.

[marcush.]

So to me the 2011 campaign of Virgin is now over and I´d be surprised if we saw a MVR03 tbh.

[TzeiTzei]

Webb says that they could use the mvr-02 as a test mule for new ideas. The regulations don't change very much, so it's quite sensible. Sad to see Wirth go, but it really hasn't worked out. Perhaps he should have concentrated on running his company and let someone else do the technical director stuff. Also, a little wind tunnel time just to validate the results from CFD wouldn't have done much harm.

[Florio]

Now that Pat Symonds is supposidly heading the challenger, is it possible the 'all CFD approach' will go out the window?

[czt]

Now that Pat Symonds is supposidly heading the challenger, is it possible the 'all CFD approach' will go out the window?

I'd imagine that'll be pretty much the first thing to go out of the window. My money is on them hiring the second Williams tunnel.

[PhillipM]

It's gone straight out of the window. Windtunnel is the next stop.

[Jersey Tom]

I don't necessarily think it's going out the window. I don't think the ideal plan was ever to do a CFD-only approach, more that it's all they COULD do without substantially more funding.

I cannot imagine any professional aero team saying that they could confidently compete at a high level in F1 from CFD results only. But if there's no cash, doesn't matter what you want to do - you're limited.

Until they get some more funding, or re-allocate how they've been spending, there will be no difference.

[siwillems]

Well this is a bit of a shocker. Does this mean the last two seasons of research and development will disapear as well

I for one hope that they dont become a team overly reliant on donor parts. With the exception for the engine and the gearbox internals everthing else was designed and built themselves?

Well it would be interesting to see which direction the team go in know, hopfully they will go for a more integeral approach moving as much in house and under one roof as possible. That and ramp up the budget!!!

[TheWiseOwl]

Well this is a bit of a shocker. Does this mean the last two seasons of research and development will disappear as well

Virgin's IP will always be Virgin's, Wirth or no Wirth.

[donskar]

Well this is a bit of a shocker. Does this mean the last two seasons of research and development will disappear as well

Virgin's IP will always be Virgin's, Wirth or no Wirth.

I wouldn't make a big deal out of the IP -- it's not "Wirth" much!