We need more teams.

USAF1 · Post 05 Jan 2004, 01:01

How come there aren't more auto makers racing in F1. It would seem like every auto maker on the planet would want a car to represent thier company in the so called pinnicle of all motor sports. Don't get me wrong - I am as big an F1 Freak as they come, but I would like to see a few more constructors. A couple more Minardi's and a few more Toyota's and of course another Ferrari would be nice to watch. What about an American team - Chevrolet and Ford could continue thier epic battles at the pinnicle for the mother of all constructors championships, and not to mention there would be American fans and I would finally have someone to talk to.

SpeedTech · Post 05 Jan 2004, 03:12

There is a simple ansmwer to your question, MONEY TALKS BULLSHIT WALKS

joseff · Post 05 Jan 2004, 04:32

Now, if we could just pass around a collection hat, please... I'll work as team manager for peanuts

Guest · Post 05 Jan 2004, 05:11

USAF1 wrote:How come there aren't more auto makers racing in F1. It would seem like every auto maker on the planet would want a car to represent thier company in the so called pinnicle of all motor sports. Don't get me wrong - I am as big an F1 Freak as they come, but I would like to see a few more constructors. A couple more Minardi's and a few more Toyota's and of course another Ferrari would be nice to watch. What about an American team - Chevrolet and Ford could continue thier epic battles at the pinnicle for the mother of all constructors championships, and not to mention there would be American fans and I would finally have someone to talk to.

all the manufacturing giants already have a team in f1,(ford is involved with jag and jordan,and don't appear to relish a full f1 team) in the exception of the audi VAG group,but they are not interested at the moment apparently,as for smaller teams like minardi,money is the main concern,personally i would say,why bother?

Irvingthien · Post 05 Jan 2004, 08:27

i certainly agree F1 needs more team, especially privateers team, coz i think most of the car manufacturing owned team are interested in promoting their name to increase the sales of car in the market, not for the passion of racing in F1.I do hope CART and IRL teams will move to F1 instead of staying in the states.

350plus · Post 05 Jan 2004, 13:40

As formula one is currently organized, i don't believe that more teams could appear.I recently read an article in http://www.grandprix.com where it was explained that with fewer teams the profits were bigger to each one( and the race organizer). i believe that this is true. F1 is all about money, and the big auto groups don't do anything if they don't see money coming out of it, and even the smaller teams are more similar to multinational companies than a racing team... it is sad, but i believe that f1 will not get another new team in the next few years...

Reca · Post 05 Jan 2004, 17:24

The problem with manufacturers is that in F1 only one wins and so it’s difficult for the racing department to justify hundreds of Million € just to be there, a few years and the management starts to complain and it’s difficult to show that it has to be considered as a promotional costs (although I believe it’s one of the most efficient ways to promote a brand). F1 needs privateers also because of that, there must be someone on the back of the grid and a big manufacturer difficultly accepts it, but since for privateers it becomes harder and harder just to be in F1, the manufacturers currently out of the game have to face the possibility of many years of poor results, not really an incentive to enter in the competition, the game is apparently too hard for newcomers.

Guest · Post 05 Jan 2004, 17:33

Would it be possible to impose some sort of luxury tax on the teams to assist the smaller teams in generating more revenue? Either the big teams would be faced with losing a portion of their sponsorship revenue due to the luxury tax or take in less sponsorship which would not only make it easier to compete it would force companies desiring exposure in F1 to look at funding the smaller teams for a more effective scheme. Not sure where you'd set something like that probably at around 100 million euros. That would basically include just the manufacturers.

Scuderia_Russ · Post 21 Jan 2004, 19:23

I'm sure the manufacturers will have an answer to that...probably something along the lines of "why should we".The smaller teams are behaving more 'corporately' but this appears to be just to survive!

Guest · Post 24 Jan 2004, 16:14

Scuderia Russ, are you the guy from pf1?

Mac Man · Post 18 Feb 2004, 06:24

Mr. E has expressed desire for the formation of an American Team, and recently Chip Ganassi has emerged as the most likely to make the jump. It seems to me that even with G's considerable open wheeled experience, it would take major backing from an American automaker (i.e. Ford/Cosworth) to even have a chance in the F1 world. Toyota/Panasonic have invested over a billion dollars in three years and have only a few points to show for it.

It's unfortunate to me that Bill Gates seems to have no interest in motorsport, as Microsoft would appear to be the door to knock on for sponsorship. They already have worldwide product recognition and the money in the bank. I don't know if I'd want XP running the onboard CPU's, though. Then again, as it says, I am a Mac Man and Fan (macintosh and Maclaren, both). $\:D/$

On a similar line, who owns Lotus these days? Is it GM? Mr. E has dropped hints about GM, and if they own Lotus it seems a crime to not use that avenue for an entry. Instant brand recognition, not to mention a very rich heritage in the sport.

D-Rock

Monstrobolaxa · Post 18 Feb 2004, 09:32

Does anyone really think Chip Ganassi can make it into F1?

Just take a look at the categories he has teams in....in almost all of them (if not all) you buy your cars directly to a manufacturer.....so you basicly just set them up and.....do maintenance..... (a little more I know....but this is a rough idea).....

Look a Mastercard Lola in 1997...Eric Broadly had tons of experience in F1 and he always built bad F1 cars....at least in the 90's.

Now think of this....do you think they could convince Adrian Newey, Mike Gascoyne, Geoff Willis....etc to cross the atlantic?....I mean they already have families and a stable life....they don't want to crose the altantic for a project that could go down the drain and ruin their reputation....even if it meant earning an extra millions.....Ganassi can get the newly formed engineers that don't have a family and have a fixed life.....but these guys will lack the knowledge.....and the know-how. It might be an interesting idea but to build a team outside europe....is a little complicated especially when you have to cross the atlantic almost every week. Unless....Chip builds the headcourters in Europe....that would be diferente....but I don't think he'd like that......in Canada we love the expression: "I AM CANADIAN"......I think Chip also thinks the same way about america....it's the best place where he wants do be....

kluxorious · Post 18 Feb 2004, 12:49

what about the pheonix racing team?

Monstrobolaxa · Post 18 Feb 2004, 17:06

Well Phoenix.....interesting story there....if Tom Walkinshaw's name is anywhere near that team.....it means disaster.......he's a nice man.....but with his thirst for money......something bad would happen.

Racing 2001 cars with 2000 engines (or was it 99?)........I think they'd qualify for Monaco and Hungary.....cause of the old 107% rule....

Irvingthien · Post 19 Feb 2004, 10:44

I've heard about this Pheonix story back in early 2002. It's a company that bought Arrows and rumours that it will be racing in Malaysia never materialised.Shameful...

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