JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:myurr wrote:But you did use it in your statement to back up and justify your claims
Its a fact mate, I think you ought to put forward a better
scientificmeans of measuring rather than questioning per capita data. If there are 1000 citizens and 2 are killed, the effect it would have on the state would be immense, more so than if a bigger country had 2 killed in government demos, hence why the indicator is used.
Using hard data is far more accurate than the airy fairy arguments your putting forward.
Calm down dear. Can you tell me how often you see singular events reported as per capita? How often do you read of a car crash killing 0.000005% of the population? It's not the defacto scientific or even statistical method for reporting events.
A riot in which 4 people are killed is not 100 times worse in a country than has 1 million people vs 100 million. Both are of equal magnitude in terms of how bad the states reaction was.
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:myurr wrote:I didn't say they were liberal, I said they were more liberal.
More liberal? Please Myurr, thats like calling Dahmer is more moral than Gacy. Bahrain centre for human rights, Medicins Sans Frontieres, Physicians for Human rights all said there is was evidence of the Geneva convention being broken repeatedly. Live arms used in demonstration, Ambulance's being blocked from the injured, literally yards away, with the soldiers threatening lethal force should they tend to the injured.
Blocking of social networks, blocking of Newspapaer publications for days, 28 mosques being destroyed and then....1000 shia workmen conveniently laid off at the Petroleum refinery.
A large number of those you've listed were protestors themselves, yes including many of the doctors caught up directly in the events, so hardly an unbiased and guaranteed to be 100% accurate. For what it's worth the government claim that it was the protestors that were blocking access to hospitals and that this was one of the reasons the police stepped in to forcefully remove them.
There has been massive disinformation on both sides, and I have no idea what the truth is behind all those things you've listed. All I know is that your previous lists of events and items have all been scaled down when challenged, so I'm not sure I can trust your sources at face value.
JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:myurr wrote:No but there's going to be a UK GP and a US GP next year. Do the coalition forces represent Tripoli or their home countries?
Now you really are chasing your own tail. Ask yourself why the US the UK and the coalition are involved.
Ghaddafi was killing his own people and hiring Sudanese, Ivorian and Nigerian mercenaries to do his killing of his people.
Despite repeated warnings, he continued. His siege of the Misrata and the indiscriminate shelling day and night of his people should really sway you from making the comparison of Libya to that of the US or UK.
My point for this whole thread is Bahrain would have suffered more bloodshed had F1 gone there in October. Cancelling the event was the right thing, as its a guarantee that F1 would not directly or indirectly be responsible for the death of innocent civilians.
There are many ills in this world, F1 neednt be a catalyst for more.
I fully support the US and UK operation in Libya - Ghaddafi is an evil man who should have been dealt with decades ago. What I am trying, so unsuccessfully, to do is show you that the world is not black and white and that looking at things like deaths per capita does not mean you can know for sure that a particular government will absolutely guaranteed go after their own citizens in revenge attacks and killings.
The deaths in Bahrain, on both sides, have been very unfortunate. I'm sure the government could have handled things much better, and that many of those deaths could have been avoided. At the same time I'm sure the protestors are not as innocent as they have been portrayed, and I have no doubt that there was a violent minority that proved the catalyst for a lot of the action. The same is true of the police and armed forces - there will be a violent minority who do overreact and abuse their power, but that does not mean the majority of the police and armed forces are not more responsible and behave according to their orders.
I truly believe that if the GP had gone ahead the only threat would have been a civilian one, and whether or the violent minority would have acted in a way where the police and military would have had to step in to restore order. If that flash point didn't happen then there would have been no violence.
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