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What do you think of the prospect of a USGP 2012 at Austin Texas

Good thinking. Place has good infra structure and nice climate in winter.
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Not good as it has no motor sport tradition in the US.
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I will wait to see how it will shape up.
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I don't care.
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They are taking a very sensible approach and protecting themselves should the race not be a success.

Smart move.

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This was in this morning's Austin Statesman:

http://www.statesman.com/news/local/wit ... 68466.html

Hey, it looks like we're getting a 5 acre community garden out of it!! Woo Hoo!!!

Sometimes the people in this city make me laugh.

Anyway... Looks positive!

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I got the same letter after I wrote to all council members. It looks like we will get a positive outcome. It is even more important that F1 makes all attempt to be as environmentally friendly as possible.
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strad
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I hope it comes off if for no other reason than to piss Andrew and his friends off.
Why they WANT F1 to fail ANYWHERE escapes me.
Ya must have a real hard on for us yanks that you would enjoy seeing the race fail rather than have another possibly good race.
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Mr Alcatraz
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strad wrote:I hope it comes off if for no other reason than to piss Andrew and his friends off.
Why they WANT F1 to fail ANYWHERE escapes me.
Ya must have a real hard on for us yanks that you would enjoy seeing the race fail rather than have another possibly good race.
Yea' and the war of 1812 what was up with them hijacking all of our sailors?
How gay was that? :lol:
Then you come over and burn down The White House.
That's just rude! :wink:
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City Council endorses F1, agrees to environmental deal
By American-Statesman staff | Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 04:30 PM



The Austin City Council this afternoon endorsed a Formula One race scheduled to begin in 2012 and approved an environmental deal with circuit organizers.

The measure passed 5 to 2, with Laura Morrison and Kathie Tovo voting against.

Before the vote, the council heard hours of public comments, both in favor of and against city involvement with the international race.

The endorsement would make the project eligible for up to $25 million a year in state subsidies, which the state comptroller still must approve. According to the terms of the environmental deal, F1 will pay up to $15,000 for carbon offsets, such as planting trees, and invest $5 million for on-site research into green technology, among other things.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/ ... ula_austin
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And there we are, the US has finally proved itself as the last of the Soviet union states.
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xpensive wrote:And there we are, the US has finally proved itself as the last of the Soviet union states.
Come on X, why all this grumbling? The USGP needs to be back and Austin is going to get a really nice track. If the Texas state decides to sponsor a major and global sporting event that is going to pull in millions of visitors over 10 years it is no different to Australia. In fact Australia pays more. Give Tavo some credit that he has pulled this off and the old bugger Ecclestone. I hate the guy but he has a killer instinct for money making schemes.
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They probably looked at how well things are going in Montreal, and that the city and government gets behind the race. For the gov to be involved in something has no communist/socialist undertones X, its strictly and purely business.

It's like sending your kid to college and not supporting them at all. It would be silly and counter productive.

NASCAR has already boomed, and it's popularity is waning.

"Overall, NASCAR?s viewership on Fox dropped 7.1 percent from 2009, and the numbers are down 16.5 percent from 2008 for the races that were not affected by weather."

They are still declining in 2011. There is not a better time to come back to the US.
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FOTA chairman Martin Whitmarsh wants Formula 1 to hold two races per season in America to enable the sport to 'conquer' the country.

The McLaren team principal was speaking at Thursday's FOTA Fan Forum held at his team's Woking base. He expressed the importance of the American market to Formula 1, and added that he feels it is worthy of two races.

"America doesn't need us, but we need to conquer it," said Whitmarsh. "In the past we didn't do enough. I think we need to go there; maybe we need two races per year.

"We need to have a proper marketing programme and create the interest. We can't just have a race there and come back, we've actually got to try harder."

Whitmarsh highlighted the east and west coasts of America as the best areas for the sport to target, but he added that he was hopeful the new race in Texas can be a success.

"We've got Texas and I hope it's going to be a very successful race, but the natural place for us is east coast/west coast," he said. "There's a great opportunity there, and we've really got to make sure of it.

"I think there should be two races, it's a big enough and important enough market that we should be over there. Long Beach, and around New York, those are the places where we can really create an interest in Formula 1."

The McLaren boss added that he expects the sport to have to push harder to promote itself in years to come.

"Formula 1 hasn't had to sell itself in the past, the fans have come to us," he added. "We've got to recognise that there's lots of competition in the entertainment business, we're just part of it.

"We've got to do a lot better. We have to go there, educate, explain, promote and market our sport."

F1 has been trying to sell the idea of F1 to USA but has always fell short. Austin will have the existing F1 fans from USA attending along with guests from other countries.

But I do not see many fans from other Motorsport disciplines in USA such as NASCAR and IRL fans attending the race. I guess the reason is that it is difficult for F1 to appeal to a full throttle oval crowd. As MW is talking of running a second GP, I strongly believe that it should be an oval race. F1 runs streets, road courses but why not oval, but if F1 needs a transition into the US market it has to appeal to the crowd. It might not be much of a challenge to the drivers but it surely going to be tough on the machinery and will be great in bridging to the new US fans who needs a proper introduction to the fastest racing machines in the world.

It would be great to have an F1 race at Daytona

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Guess you never attended the race at Indy.
There was plenty of cross over.
Why do you think it's an either or situation?
To achieve anything, you must be prepared to dabble on the boundary of disaster.”
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Strad, the last time a race was run at Indy, neither of us would have been born.
Why do you think it's an either or situation?


Lets be honest here, you cannot win over NASCAR fans (mass market of US Motorsport) with F1 circuit racing.

American fans enjoy the fastest, biggest etc. and don't consider impressive enough. A tonne of the opposition to Austin race were from people who believed a NASCAR race would be better than F1.

F1 is looked at as a very European sport and should not go around US stuffing their ideas and reasons but should rather accept other forms of racing.

Why F1 should race on ovals
25 February 2009 by Keith Collantine

The F1 calendar features some of the greatest racing circuits in the world. To become Formula 1 world champion you must prove yourself on the 350kph straights of Monza, the tight confines of Monte-Carlo, and everything in between.

But there’s one type of track missing from F1 racing, the likes of which hasn’t been seen in the sport for decades. Here’s why I think it’s time for F1 drivers to race on ovals.

Ex-F1 driver meets oval

Robert Doornbos last raced in F1 in 2006. He’s experienced the fearsome performance of a Formula 1 car – in fact he did so during the V10 era when the cars were even more powerful than today. And he’s raced at some of the calendar’s most spectacular tracks including Spa-Francorchamps, Suzuka and Interlagos.

After that you might think there isn’t much new left for him to experience in the world of top-line single seater motor sport. But you’d be wrong. He had his first encounter with an oval speedway testing for IndyCar team Newman-Haas-Lanigan this week. Here’s what he had to say:

It felt like going to a new school on the first day. I didn’t really know what to expect but I got a lot of information from the team but you have to do it for yourself.

The first five laps I thought ‘Oh my god, where did I end up?’ But that’s because you have to run at a certain pace and once you reach that pace its actually quite fun so we ended the day on a good note and I can go to bed with a smile.

I already got the bug and want to go faster and faster so that’s a good thing. Today was definitely the fastest I have gone in a race car and I am quite proud.

I have no idea what to expect with traffic. It must be something like driving in the middle of the night in China, the traffic is quite bad there. I will just take it as it comes. It’s a steep learning curve but I enjoy it like this.

Doornbos had just sampled the Miami Homestead oval for the first time. Last year the fastest lap in the IndyCar race at homestead was set by Ryan Briscoe at an average of 343.303kph. The fastest average lap speed typical seen during an F1 season is at Monza – around 250kph.

Oval racing is poorly understood in F1’s European heartland and viewed with some hostility and derision. But those who trot out tired clichés like “it’s easy because you only have to turn left” should listen carefully to Doornbos’s words.

One comment posted here earlier this week when we discussed what F1’s biggest rival is was that ‘F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport’. I think if F1 is to be the pinnacle of motor sport – and it should be – its calendar should present the ultimate motor racing challenge. Therefore, it has to include at least one oval.

Oval racing in single seaters is every bit as demanding as racing on a street circuit or road course – something Doornbos now has a whole new respect for. But the nature of the challenge is, obviously, very different. The courage required to race at such high average speeds is taken for granted. The skill lies in reading how the grip of the oval changes, working out which groove (racing line) to use, and getting through the inevitable traffic cleanly and quickly.

Reality check

F1 going oval racing would not be the work of a moment. For example, the cars’ safety structures would probably have to be re-designed to take into account the increased likelihood of striking a wall. Race distances at oval events would have to be doubled at least to ensure a running time comparable to what we get at an average Grand Prix.

But I’m convinced it is a more realistic idea than one might think at first glance. In the early 1990s the possibility of F1 racing on ovals was given serious consideration as the CART-run IndyCar series boomed in popularity. Silverstone looked at constructing an oval circuit using the southern portion of its track including the Stowe and Club corners.

There’s an obvious marketing incentive too: there is no better way F1 could increase its profile in America than by going there and putting on an oval race – in all likelihood at considerably higher speeds than IndyCar or NASCAR can manage.

I wouldn’t want to see too much of the calendar given over to oval racing – perhaps just one or two events in America. Say, Indianapolis plus one other track, perhaps near the putative USF1 team’s base in North Carolina.

I think the positives vastly outweight the negatives and it is in F1′s best interests to take this idea seriously. If not, one day it could find itself facing a rejuvenated IndyCar series with the mix of road, street and oval tracks that F1 lacks.

Do you think F1 should race on ovals? Ever been to an oval race? Have your say in the comments.

Update: this video is the best argument in favour of oval racing I can think of, and one of the greatest races I’ve ever seen. Juan Pablo Montoya vs Michael Andretti, CART, Michigan 500 in 2000.
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Strad, the last time a race was run at Indy, neither of us would have been born.
Lost me there.
A small F1 contingent in America is no small number. ASk SPEED what their viewing numbers are in the U.S. Check how many millions set their VCRS and DVRs or stay up til God awful early morning hours to watch.
BTW,,Real fans watch and support many kinds of racing. And we love racing, not the circus...We don't care which Movie/Rock star shows up.
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Why not? Nascar tosses in a few road courses, so F1 could do an oval- would definitely shake things up in terms of who can adapt or not. Also an engineering challenge.

And I definitely like the idea of 2 US races :P

However, I like Mark Webber's idea:
Q: You must choose a city for a new Formula One street circuit - which city, anywhere in the world, do you choose, and why?
Mark Webber: I would say downtown San Francisco. All those hills and jumps - it would be very good, and great to watch for the fans.
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :mrgreen:
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By no stretch of the imagination can you call this 'sponsoring' or even 'investing in a child'. This is subsidisation, pure and simple, because Bernie will of course not invest in circuits and make it commercially viable for them. Everyone in Austin is going to get ever more uncomfortable as they see more and more of their money ploughed in.