Fernando Alonso has confirmed that Ferrari's pace in qualifying was not just luck. The Spaniard dominated everybody in two blistering stints in the second half of the race. Sebastian Vettel ended second, just ahead of Mark Webber.
I think losing wheels is inexcusable, intentional or not. It's literally a deadly hazard to everyone in proximity to the track. Sure, they didn't intend to commit the offense, but a penalty should be motivation to ensure it doesn't happen again.Tomba wrote:Oh great. Now the FIA decided to fine McLaren and Sauber for the pit incidents.
Yes, I would have Horner up against a wall. Wholeheartedly. There has to be mutual respect between parties and I guarantee you if the situation was reversed, there would be no radio call to Vettel to back off. The only people that have problems passing other drivers without making contact are Vettel, Sutil, and possibly Kobayashi. The reasoning behind that radio call was to protect an 80 point lead for Vettel. 80 points. Vettel could sit out the next three races and still be in the lead. There's no real excuse for that call and if I were Webber I'd have my foot firmly up Horners ass for lying to me and the public. Catching him with a 5 second gap on the last lap is one thing, all over him like white on rice while clearly faster is another. He had him cold coming out of Woodcote and backed way off.dave34m wrote:Wow, really, he might like getting his paychecks thou and maybe still wants a drive next year, just maybe. Red Bull just want a number 2 driver to go with Vettel, if he wont play the game then maybe he has to go somewhere elseRay wrote:Lying about what?Traction wrote:So Webber is lying then...?
EDIT: I didn't see that Webber had ignored the radio messages. I'm in the US so we didn't get any of the interviews after the race. I don't think he obeyed them but it really looked like he backed off as they came out of Woodcote. I firmly believe he was telling the truth about not obeying the order and I'd have Horner slammed up against a wall right now if I were him.
A few tens of thousands of simoleons might dissuade them. You can't let a team releasing a driver into the pitlane without attached wheels go unpunished. Sure Button was out of the race, but that's inexcusable in any situation.Traction wrote: I see your point but how are they going to penalize them?
When I said 'I see your point' it means I now agree...my question is, how are they going to penalize them....Ray wrote:A few tens of thousands of simoleons might dissuade them. You can't let a team releasing a driver into the pitlane without attached wheels go unpunished. Sure Button was out of the race, but that's inexcusable in any situation.Traction wrote: I see your point but how are they going to penalize them?
I guess it's better than altering the race result. The Sauber release looked okay really, I think it was Koba getting a bit confused after a poor getaway and not really thinking about what to do, he just drove in to the lines for the wheel guns...Tomba wrote:Oh great. Now the FIA decided to fine McLaren and Sauber for the pit incidents.
I think this is getting out of hand really. The FIA stewards are handing out fines and penalties as if they like it, just to have some fun. Perhaps they could ask themselves first whether McLaren really wanted to release Button without a fixed front right wheel, or whether Sauber aimed to stall Kobayashi on the exit of his pitbox.
Traction wrote:
Btw...you left out Hamilton in that list of people with overtaking and touching problems
Nah, he's one of the best overtakers in F1. He's just been boneheaded as of late. A monetary fine is all I can see that's justifiable. Dropping places next race seems a bit harsh because Jenson went when he was told to, the team is the one that screwed him so it's not his fault and he shouldn't be punished individually. I don't know what a just penalty is that's just my opinion of what would be one.Yeah. How many laps trying to overtake a car that was in fuel saving mode? Whilst driving the best car in the field? Yeah, really suckered.Traction wrote:That pit stop by Vettel was genius......pushed right up to the point of passing and then pitted....worked like a charm...left Hamilton high and dry...and secured a jump in positioning...great thinking on Vettels part...lack of understanding by Hamilton...I reckon SV suckered him...
fixed it for youJust_a_fan wrote: Yeah. How many laps trying to overtake a car that was in fuel saving mode? Whilst driving the best car in the field? Yeah, really suckered.
Vettel didnt need to overtake Hamilton so the team brought him in. Simple as that.
He did if he wanted to win the race. He was fastest at that stage of the grand prix, and needed to clear Hamilton to start reducing Alonso's lead. He couldn't do it, so really Hamilton did Alonso a big favour.flynfrog wrote:fixed it for youJust_a_fan wrote: Yeah. How many laps trying to overtake a car that was in fuel saving mode? Whilst driving the best car in the field? Yeah, really suckered.
Vettel didnt need to overtake Hamilton so the team brought him in. Simple as that.
zeph wrote: That shows that Vettel was <1s of Hamilton for 7 laps straight. So plenty of DRS opportunities, methinks.
didnt need to win the race why try as hamilton move and ball up the car when you have the championship to worry about.Diesel wrote:He did if he wanted to win the race. He was fastest at that stage of the grand prix, and needed to clear Hamilton to start reducing Alonso's lead. He couldn't do it, so really Hamilton did Alonso a big favour.flynfrog wrote:fixed it for youJust_a_fan wrote: Yeah. How many laps trying to overtake a car that was in fuel saving mode? Whilst driving the best car in the field? Yeah, really suckered.
Vettel didnt need to overtake Hamilton so the team brought him in. Simple as that.
