2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

[xpensive]

Come hell or high water, I still believe this;

Anyway, my final predictions for 2013 is the following;
A 1.6 liter turbo-V6 restricted to 12 kRpm, as well as a 2.0 Bar boost (3.0 absolute) and a fuelflow of 45 cc/second.

[megz]

Come hell or high water, I still believe this;

Anyway, my final predictions for 2013 is the following;
A 1.6 liter turbo-V6 restricted to 12 kRpm, as well as a 2.0 Bar boost (3.0 absolute) and a fuelflow of 45 cc/second.

You're a year out then mate

[xpensive]

Does anyone know when the final engine-rules for 2013 are supposed to be finalized and published?

[ringo]

try these:

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... _20.07.pdf

mid bank turbo:

5.1.6 Pressure charging may only be effected by the use of a sole single stage compressor linked to a
sole single stage exhaust turbine by a common shaft parallel to the engine crankshaft and
within 25mm of the car centre line. An electrical motor generator (MGUH) may be directly
coupled to the same shaft.

no wait :

Engine exhaust gases may only exit the cylinder head through outlets outboard of the cylinder
bore centre line and not from within the “V” centre.

turbo goes behind or in front of engine it seems.

sorry porsche like vgt dreamers

5.7.1 With the exception of devices needed for control of pressure charging systems, variable
geometry exhaust systems are not permitted. No form of variable geometry turbine (VGT) or
variable nozzle turbine (VNT) or any device to adjust the gas throat section at the inlet to the
turbine wheel is permitted.

mass flow problem solved:

5.8.3 Homologated sensors must be fitted which directly measure the pressure, the temperature and
the flow of the fuel supplied to the injectors, these signals must be supplied to the FIA data
logger.

[rjsa]

5.1.5 Below 10500rpm the fuel mass flow must not exceed Q (kg/h) = 0.009 N(rpm)+ 5.

Flow grows linearly upt to 10500 RPM when it peaks and stops. I really would like to know what effet this will have on turbo size and effective RPM band.

[xpensive]

Fuel mass flow of 100 kg/h equals 38 cc/s to my understanting, as opposed to my predicted 45cc, hats off WB.

[ringo]

Yes its the same 27.8g/s

Makes you wonder if they were fleshing out the plans of this thread.

First the V6, then the other discussions like constant power engines, MGUH etc.

Very eerie.

Any way i was going to drop the flow equation into my engine simulator and plot the power curve, but i'll do this when i get home.

The torque curve will be linear then peaks then falls. Almost like a typical NA engine.

The rules on torque control by the pedal position is also interesting. They are preparing for the dastardly of the dastardly innovations that the team can do with this turbo power plant and recovery systems.

Personally, after reading the regs, it's hard to see casual fans following the sport. It's just too much. And as was said earlier when you have more factors, more needs to be restricted to control costs.

[rjsa]

The mandated 80mm bore together with maximum displacement and free stroke could lead to smaller capacity and righier revs reaching maximum power nearer the 15K limit?

[xpensive]

...
The torque curve will be linear then peaks then falls. Almost like a typical NA engine.
...

If fuel-flow is limited, but boost is for free, I rather xpect the power curve to be flat as Ayers rock?

But an rpm limit of 15k, what are you gonna do with that at 28 g/s, not much?

[bill shoe]

Don't miss this part--

Other areas to be affected by the change include the transmission, with a mandatory eight-speed gearbox to be introduced.

[rjsa]

Don't miss this part--

Other areas to be affected by the change include the transmission, with a mandatory eight-speed gearbox to be introduced.

Cool, isn't it. The wealthy club racer has more freedom than a F1 team.

[xpensive]

Meaning that we might see a standard gearbox by 2014, surely x-trac and others has been contacted on the matter.

Next step is obviously a standard 1.6 V6 turbo by Cosworth, Zytek or someone else, which is what MrM was going for.

[bill shoe]

The fuel flow rate will be flat above 10,500 rpm and thus power will be roughly flat above 10,500 rpm. This flat power curve across a significant rpm range reduces the need for multiple gears. Yet at the same time there is talk of requiring 8 gears!!!

I don't understand the thought process behind this combination of flat power curve and 8-speed gearbox. It seems like either the power curve or the extra gears will be superfluous.

[Tim.Wright]

If the power is flat from 10500 (is this a rule?), then the torque must be dropping. The extra gear might be needed to give the cars enough tractive force to overcome the drag at high speeds when the torque is dropping off.

Either that or its a move to reduce fuel consumption.

Tim

[strad]

After 52 years of following F1, this may be the straw that breaks it.
This will not be F1. I'm not sure what to call it, but it damn sure ain't F1.