Wesley123's F1 Model

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I used ZModeler 1.07b, I would not recommend it for using in these purposes, it can and will give you headaches, although it is pretty easy to use, probably the easiest to learn program in the bussiness.
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Zmodeler is really a great program to learn 3d. That is what I started with in High school. It is the most intuitive to use IMO. I really liked it. It may not be a full blown 3d software like Maya or 3d studio, and it may not be a full blown CAD, but it it still emphasises understanding of 3d space and positioning.
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indeed, but when it comes to purposes like here it just doesnt fit, making clean shapes is hard to do nd you are really missing the detailing and such compared to a CAD program.

Might check out a CAD program, but the learning really is going to be a pain in the a$$ for me.
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I cannot recommend Google Sketchup 8 enough. It's interface is fantastically simple and user friendly, the ability to key in line lengths is invaluable in a project like designing an f1 car. Despite it coming across as a simple tool, the better you are with it and the better the project, you'll discover just what a powerful and brilliant program it is!
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meh, i tried it before and am not really a fan of it, it is simple yes, but that again is a downside too, it has limitations compared to cad programs.

I checked out DS Solidworks, but im not really getting the hang of it, to create cutouts and such, havent become further than making a 3d circular shape
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Welcome to silverstone lol

A lot of updates here, consist of a new front wing, a new rear wing, a new barge board ackage and floor.

Other updates are a different hosting site and I marked changes lol, ZModeler stays hard to see lol.

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The front wing has undergone some tweaks, it hasnt changed a lot, but it was tweaked in most areas

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The pillar has changed, it is shorter at the foot, not extending forward of the central section anymore, this pillar moves the pivot point more forward, this gives a similar effect as McLaren did in Valencia, only now it is ahrder to see

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The wing has an older footplate, this comes with new strakes. On the far inside there is a new strake, shieliding the wing of from the central section, also aiding in the downforce generating of the front wing.

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There is an addition of a new winglet above the cascade, it's funtion is to aid airflow and not to generate downforce by its shape

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This end plate had a rond edge previously on its tip, this is now removed as it would interfere with the rest of the wing.

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The cascade now has slots in its end palte, this helps aid air around the tire and make better use of the footplate. I also built a whole new end plate, although decided not to show it, if i will show it in the future is unsure.

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The sidepod panel is new, it is shorter in length and has smoother bends in it. It helps to 'calm' the turbulence of the front wheel down and aid air around the sidepod. The top part is bent around the sidepod shape and aims forward, not being bend like the rest of the panel.

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The barge board is new too, it is longer and much cleaner around its whole shape, increasing floor efficiency, much needed with the blown diffuser 'ban'.

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The shark fin changed once again, now being just a small edge, just like on the red bull and other cars.

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The rear wing is based on the one as seen in Canada spec, on its outer edge it has a higher AoA increasing downforce, while still enjoying the shorter chord DRS benifit in the center.


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The turning vane of the floor is once again modified, now being really small. The wing element on top of the lip now is gone too.

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The cover for the exhaust has changed too, now being moch cleaner allowing air to go over it much smoother. Also there is barely any EBD loss, since I wasnt very good in it in the first place, I placed a large and a smaller Vortex generator in this part, increasing energy of the gas flow going into the diffuser.

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And there is a whole new diffuser. on its center it bends down under the crashbox, giving more area over the floor generating more downforce. There are four strakes in the diffuser, 2 small ones at the start and 2 long ones at the end of the diffuser, increasing efficiency. Also there is a slotted gurney over most of its length, at the edges being replaced with a normal gurney.
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wesley123 wrote:I used ZModeler 1.07b, I would not recommend it for using in these purposes, it can and will give you headaches, although it is pretty easy to use, probably the easiest to learn program in the bussiness.
Hi..
do you know if it's possible to use a part of your car by Autodesk Inventor 2012 ??

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I doubt it, althought it might support .3ds files the .3ds script of ZModeler is bugged. Although there are a few ways around it. So if Inventor supports .3ds for example it can be imported.
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Okay now the Germany update, a changed front wing which is going into its final race next race and an older rear wing for the downforce levels required.

I plan an major update for Belgium, showing an new rear wing, brand new front wing, tighter sidepods, a changed floor and bodywork all around.

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The front wing got a new strake, a new footplate and cascade, together with a new winglet

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An new element of the front wing is the slotted strake, where it first was one surface it now is split up in 3 pieces to better help aid airflow next to the front wheel.

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And here is a thing that has been on for four races but i forgot to show all the time, it is an slotted gurneytab on the end plate, reduces drag and because the end plate ends way sooner it doesnt hurt airflow behind.

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The footplate got a 90 degree turned down edge, this helps aid airflow under the footplate, being less sensitive and also aiding air around the tire. Under the front wing it got a sweep up, this creates a vortex which in turn reduces pitch sensitivity.

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And here the new cascade end plate, its first part connects to the front wing itself, the rest to the footplate. This creates bigger area for the end plate to have effect on aiding more air around the front tire. Also there is a winglet to help air around the tire too.

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And the rear wing, it was used in the first 3 races, though here it got the recent beamwing and end plate. This wing generates more downforce compared to the one ran in Silverstone.
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okay Hungary here, a new rear wing to cope with the higher downforcelevels required. Also there is a small cooling slot to aid the cooling.

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There is the addition of a small cooling slot in the area next to the headrest, to aid the cooling in the warmer Hungary weather.

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And the different rear wing, there is a wing bolt on in the center 15cm section, this piece is connected to the 2 plane, so when DRS is activated this wing will move up also, reducing drag of this wing and the wing itself.

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Ad there also is another wing behind the rear wing, in the same central area, it's goal is to just add downforce.

For Belgium there will be a brand new front and rear wing and much changed bodywork
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Question, when your DRS is activated, will the smaller wing not create huge amounts of drag?

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I was just thinking about the same lol, since then the smaller wing would be in open air, I think it doesnt really makes a difference, if it is connected to the main plane it would be in front of the DRS but now it is in open air with less AoA. Too bad I am unable to do a CFD on this since it is actually a good point lol
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This is a clever innovation. What are the technical rules regarding the DRS system? Where is the opening measured from and can it exceed the maximum height of the car when open.

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MIKEY_! wrote:This is a clever innovation. What are the technical rules regarding the DRS system? Where is the opening measured from and can it exceed the maximum height of the car when open.
It is measured from the highest point of the flap i believe, that is the pivot point. It is a bit of a weird area I am working in. Ferrari did something where they actually raside the whole wing, moving the pivot point lower, creatin g aflatter wing. There it was banned because the slot gap seperator wasnt 20cm apart. Here it isnt a slot gap seperator, it just fits in the central 15cm box, I believe it is fully legal since it comes out of the rule box, it comes over the maximum height when DRS is open.
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wesley123 wrote:I was just thinking about the same lol, since then the smaller wing would be in open air, I think it doesnt really makes a difference, if it is connected to the main plane it would be in front of the DRS but now it is in open air with less AoA. Too bad I am unable to do a CFD on this since it is actually a good point lol
Not really. It would still be additional drag.
What you must be careful about though, is what part is allowed to move. Though you can put anything in the middle 75mm, i think on a specific shape is allowed to move with DRS activation.
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