Kubica's Recovery

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marekk wrote:Link to full video: http://www.onet.tv/pelna-symulacja-wypa ... ,klip.html#

No details about ARMCO's construction, except that the new one is (obviously) better and they are going to successively replace older ones.
The overlaps of the successive armco panels are very important and is directional to the travel of the vehicles ( on the lane nearest the barrier)
The end of each panel must lap the start of the next panel on the road side of the barrier .

This makes the RK crash rather a sad one , even if the Armco's were installed with the overlaps done correctly . The road he was on was clearly a two-way public road, in Italy where driving is on the right side - he hit the armco on the left ( oncoming ) side , which was against the traffic direction and hence the armco overlap was against his direction .
So if the armco is hit between overlaps , that armco will be pushed back leaving the end of the next armco quite exposed and ready to enter a vehicle - This is my take on why the armco entered the car head on

In the case where a gap is needed ( to gain access to a side road/entrance to a property etc) the ends of the armco at the barrier must have a rounded return so as not to present an exposed armco end .

We had a fatal accident here at Killarney race track a few years ago during a official practice day - an armco gate was left open ( needed for a drag event the next evening , which used the gate as access to the return loop) The driver spun and hit the open end of the armco at 90 degrees , on the driver's side door- full, comprehensive roll cage and side impact bars - this prevented the end of the armco ( two panels high) from entering the car but the side impact bend far enough inwards to squash and seriously injure the driver . He succumbed despite fully equiped medical team available, having resuscitated him 3 times . This accident happened some 75 yards past the ambulance station, so the ambulance was on the scene in less than 30 secs

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lotus7 - Kubica went off the road at a gap in the barrier and had a head on impact with start of the next barrier, you can see the rounded end here viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9469&start=240

Kubica and the Killarney driver could have hit the barrier before the opening, they would have slid along that like a rail and been directed into the opening.

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archiebald - As for the test video, and setting aside that it was not the scenario for Kubica's crash....

I don't know the conditions of the test, for example did they deliberately test it with a defective joint? Maybe a Polish speaker could tell us what is said in the commentary.

These barriers are designed to work as a stressed ribbon, the joints are designed to transmit large tensile forces from a light goods vehicle impact, so I'm surprised a little hatchback was able to burst the connection in that test.

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richard_leeds wrote:lotus7 - Kubica went off the road at a gap in the barrier and had a head on impact with start of the next barrier, you can see the rounded end here viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9469&start=240

Kubica and the Killarney driver could have hit the barrier before the opening, they would have slid along that like a rail and been directed into the opening.

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archiebald - As for the test video, and setting aside that it was not the scenario for Kubica's crash....

I don't know the conditions of the test, for example did they deliberately test it with a defective joint? Maybe a Polish speaker could tell us what is said in the commentary.

These barriers are designed to work as a stressed ribbon, the joints are designed to transmit large tensile forces from a light goods vehicle impact, so I'm surprised a little hatchback was able to burst the connection in that test.

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Having looked at the crash vid again, quite right , RK hit the end of a armco directly after the gap . And there was no return loop of the armco, so it went straight in and through the car, the car having hit it head on , plus it was a single armco so less armco frontal area and easy entry into the car. At Killarney the car hit it side on , directly on ample side protection, and two layers of armco , so more frontal area to resist entry into the car
Driver suffered no external injuries at all , but the impact on his torso was severe

And sadly none of the drivers hit the armo before the gap.........

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Thankfully Robert has no memory of this loss. I have heard he is able to walk without assitance now. No word regarding right arm movement but I believe it remains in the same mechanical isolating gear.

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There will be antoher Kubica`s surgery: http://robertscomeback.blogspot.com/201 ... .html#more but generaly it`s OK and his condition is improving with every single day.

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spiderek21 wrote:There will be antoher Kubica`s surgery: http://robertscomeback.blogspot.com/201 ... .html#more but generaly it`s OK and his condition is improving with every single day.

I have no doubt this is being done due to Robert's inability to move his arm and hand in the manner he wishes. This is another option which may or may not make things better. Overall, I have somewhat of an uneasy feeling about his progress.

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Say Robert makes perfect progress and (though he cannot make a comeback in 2011) he makes a full comeback into his rightful number1 slot again at Renault. What does everyone think his form will be like? Will he still be the same? Will he still be the Monaco specialist we know him to be?
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I guess we will see but my guess is atleast a tune-up year.
The truth will come out...

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He has no memory of the loss ever taking place (thank God) so I imagine him to be in full form after a few solid days of testing and a couple races

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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying he developed Alzheimer's and forgot the whole incident?
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He lost conscious, so he remembers no pain at all. Which is good. If he remembered what happenned he might be frightened.
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raymondu999 wrote:I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying he developed Alzheimer's and forgot the whole incident?
Stirling Moss always said he never remembered the accident that effectively ended his career. The brain is a funny thing. We can completely "forget" very traumatic experiences. For example, I remember very little of my first wife . . .

Seriously, it is quite possible that Kubica will come back better then ever (my hope). And equally possible that he'll never be the same. Only time will tell.
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donskar wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Are you saying he developed Alzheimer's and forgot the whole incident?
Stirling Moss always said he never remembered the accident that effectively ended his career. The brain is a funny thing. We can completely "forget" very traumatic experiences.
Moss had a very serious head injury. It wasn't due to pain or shock or whatever.