Ferrari 150° Italia

[PhillipM]

What I can't work out is why they are using two spring/damper units instead of just 1 unit, which would be lighter?

no dampers in the ARB springs, but you need two torsion bars and two dampers one for each wheel

I mean on the arb setup itself, rather than the springs/dampers for the corner units. Seems strange to have two on there, unless it's actually a triple rate setup rather than duel?

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

This car is becoming the fastest car in the race, great job by the team.

2nd at Monaco, 2nd at valencia, 1st at Silverstone, 2nd at Nurburgring, an i think an another podium at Hungary.

[HampusA]

Yea they really seem to get it together and collect that DF they need.
I still don´t think they are near RBR on HighDF tracks but the car has so many other attributes that makes it such a good car.

So if they get more DF then they have a potential Red Bull slayer on their hands.

[raymondu999]

To be fair, it was in Silverstone. Even in qually there (where RB is usually supreme) it was only a tenth away, and it was 1s quicker per lap in the race (in the dry)

[timbo]

I think this goes on to show how much details mean in modern F1. With a few tweaks which are only visible to the people with pretty deep insight into technical details (like most forum members here ) you can improve car's pace a lot!

[HampusA]

To be fair, it was in Silverstone. Even in qually there (where RB is usually supreme) it was only a tenth away, and it was 1s quicker per lap in the race (in the dry)

Well you could say RBR and Mclaren was deeply hurt by the rule change.

Ferrari has for sure gotten faster. But it´s not DF that makes the car shine.
RBR will dominate at Hungary trust me.

[myurr]

To be fair, it was in Silverstone. Even in qually there (where RB is usually supreme) it was only a tenth away, and it was 1s quicker per lap in the race (in the dry)

Well you could say RBR and Mclaren was deeply hurt by the rule change.

Ferrari has for sure gotten faster. But it´s not DF that makes the car shine.
RBR will dominate at Hungary trust me.

I wouldn't be so sure, and I say this as a McLaren fan. I think Ferrari have worked out how Red Bull are working the diffuser and running with more rake. They were visibly running more rake in Germany than they had been and we know they revised the exhausts and diffuser over the last couple of races as well as tightening the rear of the car.

I think Ferrari have made a step forward so that they are now close to Red Bull in qualifying and they have a slight edge in race pace, and I expect that to be true at more circuits than not. The big unknown is really McLaren who seem to be having greater race to race variation in pace than the others.

[scuderiafan]

New front wing on 2. practice! Bigger picture please!

I find it interesting that Ferrari has taken so long to develop those extra elements on the front wing that Red Bull has. Mercedes has similar ones.

[raymondu999]

While I agree that Red Bull should shine in Hungary, they were quicker in Silverstone S2 (Maggotts-Becketts complex) in the race. This is a complex that just requires downforce and good direction change. The rule change doesn't show in that sector, as the rule change will only really show itself in slow corners.

[Pierce89]

New front wing on 2. practice! Bigger picture please!

I find it interesting that Ferrari has taken so long to develop those extra elements on the front wing that Red Bull has. Mercedes has similar ones.

they felt they could get enough downforce without the extra turbulence created. You'll have to control the vortex coming off the inside of that extra cascade. If the vortex goes to the wrong area it can hurt downforce production downstream

edit: now I look closer it looks like it should treate a fairly similar flow srtucture, but they're just pushing the cascades harder(steeper AOA), so they need the slot gap

Edit2: I also think it's pretty cool Ferrari doesn't blindly follow everyone else's endplate design. The other top teams quit using a traditional endplate and just curl the planes down and place a vane on top. Ferrari followed everyone else on the endplateless design last year, but this year they;ve gone back to the traditional design with a full vertical endplate without the round channel underneathe ends

2010:


2011:

[Pierce89]

Alonso on the car:"I finished second in Valencia, won in Silverstone and finished second here. Three different tracks; three different temperatures; three different maps in the exhaust. So that confirms the consistency of our car at the moment and the real improvements that we did."

[timbo]

I think the cascade wing might be planned for Hungary/Singapore. For Germany they probably only wanted some mileage for aero figures validation. Alonso did some constant speed runs during FP1. Would be interesting to know, whether it was with the cascade wing or not.

[andreag]

While I agree that Red Bull should shine in Hungary, they were quicker in Silverstone S2 (Maggotts-Becketts complex) in the race. This is a complex that just requires downforce and good direction change. The rule change doesn't show in that sector, as the rule change will only really show itself in slow corners.

They weren't.

Alonso was over five tenths faster than Webber and over six tenths faster than Vettel in that sector.

Even Massa was faster than both Red Bull drivers.

You can check it here:

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[Mandrake]

I think raymond was talking about the Ferrari

[raymondu999]

Sorry about that. I meant the Ferraris, not the Red Bulls.