Pierce89 wrote:wesley123 wrote:Pierce89 wrote:
No they cannot run more downforce for the same top speed.
They run way more rear wing for example then other teams, yet they are still in the top of the speedtrap list.
How can you say last year is a stupid comparison? They didn't go completely wrong on setup, either. Jensen ran one setup and Lewis the other.
Ferrari came with a special F-Duct, same as everyone else. Yet McLaren choose to bring 2 wings, the standard wing they ran all year with way too much df and one with too less df.
Besides, like I said, last year they had a large top speed advantage, this year, they're slightly better on top speed than the RB7 or f150, but less than last year, an Merc has the best top speed.
Like I said, they have still one of the highest top speeds and run way more wing then others, so they can do the same thing for Monza too, run more wing and still have a high top speed.
Last year at Monza, without a superior F-Duct they wouldn't have been close to Alonso.
Their F-Duct wasnt that superior, Teams came with main plane blowing soon and McLaren copied that.
You apparently think that because a car has fatter wings it has more downforce. They run those fat wings because Mclaren has to run those huge wings just to be competitive on downforce. The Mclaren is quicker on the top end BECAUSE IT HAS SLIGHTLY LESS DOWNFORCE THAN THE RED BULL or about the same downforce as Ferrari with slightly less drag. I know you think Mclaren are way better than the other teams, but they're just like Ferrari or Red Bull.Lastly, Jenson ran a Spa wing at Monza, not a full on high-downforce like you imply. It was indeed a little smaller than their normal wing, but not much because of the f-duct. Mclaren might've messed up Lewis's setup at Monza, but he was the one that chose it. They did not mess up Jenson's setup though. As much as I like Jenson, with a compromised setup, he would not have outqualified Lewis, much less the whole field.
Oh please, you certainly are forgetting about their U sidepods? Like that doesnt shed more drag. I do not know where you are getting the idea from that I think that when you run mre wing you are immediately getting more downforce.
Pierce89 wrote:wesley123 wrote:
No they cannot run more downforce for the same top speed.
They run way more rear wing for example then other teams, yet they are still in the top of the speedtrap list.
Here it is what I said. They clearly run way more wing then Ferrari or Red Bull, yet they are above them in top speed. The McLaren has way lower drag then the Ferrari and red Bull, and the U sidepods have a big deal in that. Because of this lower drag they can run more wing, that is logical, to come closer in terms of df to Red Bull. And that the McLaren has less downforce, I dont think that is the case anymore, They were quicker over the whole weekend compared to Red Bull in Hungary where df is key. The RB is getting old, whereas the McLaren is a brand new design, learned from previous seasons, teams have caught up to Red Bull, if you want that or not.
Apart from that I really do not know where you are getting 'I know you think Mclaren are way better than the other teams' from, you might have to explain that. Is that because I said McLaren has lower drag and can run more wing?
Also df and drag are linked to each other, but just because a car has lower drag doesnt necessarily mean that it has lwoer downforce compared to the rest of the field. If that is the case then the HRT must have a sh*tload of downforce. It is easily possible that the McLaren produces more df and has less drag.
'They did not mess up Jenson's setup though. As much as I like Jenson, with a compromised setup, he would not have outqualified Lewis, much less the whole field.'
And this, I pretty much disagree. Every team showed up with special rear wings and special F-ducts, yet McLaren showed up with their regular rear wing
yet in Spa spec, for whats that worth it, where way behind everyone in the speedtrap but were faster in the turns. If everyone else apart from McLaren (and HRT) showed up with special Monza wings with the F-duct then you can say their decision is wrong. That they came out second was pretty simple, they were behind Red Bull the second best team, Ferrari was close to them too, the rest was way behind in terms of pace. If McLaren went there with an special monza wing with F-Duct I am pretty sure they would have won it easily, but that all is just speculation.
