HRT F111 Cosworth

[MIKEY_!]

They'll be pleased about the changes to exhaust rules and nose height.

[Petroltorque]

With regards to KERS there seems to be a misconception that its some sort of retro fit bolt on that can be installed after one closes a performance gap. Its an integrated concept that icorporates aero, mechanical layout and cooling. Taken in isolation an extra 80bhp for 6.7 seconds is worth half a second, but incorporating that benefit as a whole into the package is going to be worth more for a tail end team. Look out for Team Lotus' gain next year.
HRT must be pretty marginal on budget if they can't stump up euro 500 000 for the William's batter KERS.

[bar555]

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Development is concentrated on improving efficient downforce so work is based on front wing, undertray and diffuser development.
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HRT so far raced two front wing specs , three rear wing specs , additional winglet over light , new exhaust layout linked with rear floor revisions , four versions of rear brake winglets and two front wing versions (notice: minor rear and front wing revisions are not included). Undertray revisions are hard to spot so i do not have info about them . Anyway till now there weren't any diffuser updates and according to HRT there are high chances to see one or even more till season end.

[Petroltorque]

HRT are running under nose turning vanes with that new wing. I think the reduce the air pressure to the splitter thus increasing aero grip.

[TzeiTzei]

I don't think not having KERS will be a huge issue for HRT next year. They have bigger problems to solve. They have been around 6-8% off the pole position times this year, and that is slower than what they were last year. They need to turn this around with the F112, and start making progress compared to the front running teams. Getting that gap to somewhere around 5% should be quite possible, if they've got the funds to do it.

I'm not expecting them to make any huge leaps towards the midfield. They just don't have the money, staff or facilities to compete with the established teams. But they need to show that they are improving.

[bill shoe]

This was a big opportunity for Ricciardo to stand out and prove himself as a top-level car-control guy despite being in a slow car. Didn't happen, he was actually a second or two behind Liuzzi.

I hate to be overly harsh on Ricciardo, but I think his career is largely over now. I can't imagine a rookie Vettel/Hamilton/Alonso being two seconds behind their team mate in wet conditions.

Seriously, do we have any reason to think Ricciardo is even equal to the mediocre Toro-Roso duo (Buemi and Alguersuari)?

[Lycoming]

We dont have any conclusive evidence either way. I dont think its fair to judge a rookie's entire career based on a single poor qualifying performance, especially since he finished ahead of his teammate in hungary, which wasnt exactly dry.

Besides, how do you know it was his fault? in tricky conditions such as these, a single mistake will wreck your session, whether its getting it slightly wrong in blanchimont and spinning, not being on the track with fresh, warm tires at the right time, a loose wheel nut, or just making a mistake on your one flying lap in ideal conditions.

The kid will have plenty of chances in the future to prove that this was a one time thing. Besides, writing off anybody's entire career based on a single, 20 minute session is ludicrous. You wouldn't look at today's result and conclude that button is rubbish in the wet.

[Fil]

Seriously, do we have any reason to think Ricciardo is even equal to the mediocre Toro-Roso duo (Buemi and Alguersuari)?

No factual or publicly accessible reasons as such.


But given the attitude & actions of Red Bull's top brass (those who have absolute access to his stats/telemetry), he's held in incredibly high regard. That has to mean something.

I don't remember so much hype & expectation around one of their new drivers probably since Bourdais.

[MIKEY_!]

Bourdais: What happened to him again... still, i hope Ricciardo does well, this is only first season, how many races has he done now, and he had to drive Spa (one hell of a track my I remind you) in a slow car that can be very difficult to drive at times and in the wet.

[bill shoe]

Yea, my opinion is a bit short and tough on him.

However, I think true A-level drivers would never be 1.5 seconds back of a mediocre teammate during damp qualifying. I'm just playing the odds. I don't think Ricciardo will get anywhere in F1.

I'm complaining a lot so here is something positive--

Liuzzi, Kovaleinen, and Glock all did quite well in tough circustances relative to their team mates. Glock did especially well to put the Virgin in the show on direct qualifying speed.

[Lycoming]

However, I think true A-level drivers would never be 1.5 seconds back of a mediocre teammate during damp qualifying.

I dont believe that. If you're not out on the right tires at the right time and your teammate is, you can easily have a gap that big, especially on a long track like spa.

[bill shoe]

lycoming, yea that's true in theory, but the practical history of great drivers says it never happens to them.

In the rookie years of Senna (Ayrton), Schumacher, Alonso, Hamilton, and Vettel, were they ever outpaced by a team mate during wet qualifying? By 1.5 sec? These are tough questions but I think the answers are no and NO. I think the first time they did wet qualy of any kind they immediately tore their team mates new assholes.

I would be impressed if anyone looked into the detailed record to confirm or deny this.

[Lycoming]

Its still far from deterministic. just because it did not happen to those guys does not mean that it could not have happened, and it does not mean that Ricciardo has no place in f1.

besides, look at brazil last year, where nico hulkenberg blitzed the field. Where is he now? no, it isnt a direct analogy, but he and his car were pretty mediocre; Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton and Schumacher were all well over a second off the pace. Alonso in P5 was 1.5s off. does that mean that they are not great drivers, because this doesnt happen to great drivers?

Being far behind in a single wet qualifying session is not a concrete measure of abilities; the kid's got lots to learn, and plenty of time to do it. They cant all be like vettel, pole + win at monza in the wet.

and finally, the most important thing is this: The points are handed out on Sunday.

[MIKEY_!]

youtube steven bradbury

Ricciardo can win.

And Hulkenberg is an excellent example. Still not sure how he missed out on a seat for 2011.

[ESPImperium]

Hispania-Cosworth F111 Chassis History:

F111-001 History:
NO DATA

F111-002 History:
Karthikeyan: GER FP1
Liuzzi: AUS, MAL, CHI, TUR, ESP, MON, CAN, EUR, GBR, GER, HUN, BEL, ITA

F111-003 History:
Karthikeyan: AUS, MAL, CHI, TUR, ESP, MON, CAN, EUR
Riccardo: GBR, GER, HUN, BEL, ITA