Yes, that was what first suggested it to me. The way the interview ended suggests that those around him realized he was not running on eight cylinders.andyjones wrote: 4.
The dear chap seemed a little confused in his post race interview, which can sometimes be indicative of mild concussion
Can you confirm if the FIA has procedures in place for marshalls having to report on the medical conditions as they found them after the crash - i.e. if the driver was unconscious.andyjones wrote:Having marshalled for about 10 years (ages ago!!) and followed the sport for more years than I care to remember I think LH might well have been "out" for just a few moments, because:
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The brakes did not appear to being applied at the end of the accident; he rolled fairly slowly to a halt, but was stopped by the second thing he hit
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His head was lying over to one side and motionless after the vehicle stopped
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The attending marshal took one look at him and as I recall summoned immediate medical assistance (exactly what I would have done)
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The dear chap seemed a little confused in his post race interview, which can sometimes be indicative of mild concussion
Personally I was pretty amazed that the marshal prodded Hamilton's head to find out if he was okay – surely the first rule they'll be told is "if you think a driver is seriously injured, DO NOT MOVE THEIR HEAD AT ALL"myurr wrote:Can you confirm if the FIA has procedures in place for marshalls having to report on the medical conditions as they found them after the crash - i.e. if the driver was unconscious.
I'd be amazed if they did not have something in place at F1 levels. But then I'm amazed at the number of people on this board who think that a driver losing consciousness in a crash would escape the FIAs notice or that the team would actively conspire to cover it up.
Could be onto something there, not only does he hit the barrier hard, the styrofoam sign seems to get him square on the side of the head in the photo above. Also about removing his hands from the wheel, some do some dont, going back to the accident he had at the nurburgring in 2007, he kept his hands on the wheel until the car had stopped. The only reason you remove your hands is to avoid injury, and hes finished crashing/spinning when his hands fall off the wheel in this instance. Makes no sense.piast9 wrote:He might be. I remember a race at old Hockenheim many years ago when some driver hit the styrofoam blocks that were put at the entry to the stadium section at the full speed and was in a lot of pain because of that. That blocks were lifted by the front of the car and hit the driver in the head.FrukostScones wrote:I think he was koed from the polystyrene advertising thing...
Procedure is to always remove your hands from the wheel in a crash, no matter how small. The forces involved are enough to snap your wrists.010010011010 wrote:Could be onto something there, not only does he hit the barrier hard, the styrofoam sign seems to get him square on the side of the head in the photo above. Also about removing his hands from the wheel, some do some dont, going back to the accident he had at the nurburgring in 2007, he kept his hands on the wheel until the car had stopped. The only reason you remove your hands is to avoid injury, and hes finished crashing/spinning when his hands fall off the wheel in this instance. Makes no sense.piast9 wrote:He might be. I remember a race at old Hockenheim many years ago when some driver hit the styrofoam blocks that were put at the entry to the stadium section at the full speed and was in a lot of pain because of that. That blocks were lifted by the front of the car and hit the driver in the head.FrukostScones wrote:I think he was koed from the polystyrene advertising thing...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D11R56oSBQo&NR=
When Massa was hit in Hungary his head went really far forwards upon impact with the tire wall. He was most definitely knocked out and hit with a greater speed but his head went really far fowards regardless. Same with Kimi in Monza. You could almost see the bottom lip on the rear of his helmet. Obviously his was at high speed too but HANS doesn't restrict complete movement in the cars. They can still move their heads quite a bit, side to side not so much due to the headrests but forward and backward movement is still quite alot.richard_leeds wrote:Head hit the wheel? Have you not heard of seatbelts and HANS? The drivers can barely move their heads once they are strapped in.
When strapped-in, Mika couldn't get within 18inches of the steering wheel, but in his big crash, managed to smash his head into the wheel with sufficient force to fracture his skull.Ray wrote:When Massa was hit in Hungary his head went really far forwards upon impact with the tire wall. He was most definitely knocked out and hit with a greater speed but his head went really far fowards regardless. Same with Kimi in Monza. You could almost see the bottom lip on the rear of his helmet. Obviously his was at high speed too but HANS doesn't restrict complete movement in the cars. They can still move their heads quite a bit, side to side not so much due to the headrests but forward and backward movement is still quite alot.richard_leeds wrote:Head hit the wheel? Have you not heard of seatbelts and HANS? The drivers can barely move their heads once they are strapped in.
I saw this on tv last night. Obviously as you say, it may have been edited, but when he was asked about the crash, nothing was actually mentioned about him being knocked out or not. Lewis just said he was sore the next day. When i saw it, i too thought he had been knocked out. I read a piece somewhere where Lewis said he had pulled his legs back away from the front of the car and this may explain why he didnt brake to stop the second smaller impact.......he just went into self preservation and took his hands off the wheel and pulled his legs back once he knew there was no chance of saving the car.thelimey wrote:I was at the taping of TV show that'll go out on Saturday in the UK (Jonathon Ross Show) which had Lewis Hamilton as a guest. I'm not sure if any of this will be cut but he was asked about the Spa crash & I believe Lewis replied that me may have blacked out for a second, he also mentioned that his neck was still sore from the crash but was looking forward to the next race despite his recent record there.
