Italian GP 2011 - Autodromo Nazionale Monza

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ok that´s strange because Mario´s own words is also from 2004.
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75% for this year's cars... more downforce than 2004 and shorter braking...
Not to mentino EBD you can throttle out earlier in turns.

Didn't want to bring cars to the argument yet, but I have my reservations about this RB7... I think it is going to be the strongest at Monza. Did you guys see the Spa wing? and it was very strong at spa too.. good top speed.

Expecting.. Macca to show us what the L pods can really do.... Look for Barn door wings.

Mecerdez... top speed will be average now as everbody moves to Low DF spec.

Ferrari as usual will have a special "Monza Spec" CAR..(not just wings.. monza spec car!) I think they design the Monza car speparate and apart from the other specifications for their National race...

Renault R31.... Top speed will be off the charts. Apart of the function of the FEE is that it comes with an increase in pressure behind the front wheel. Equates to less drag.

Force India... Top 10 qually. Best showing I think. Maybe a podium in the works?

Sauber- slow as usual on low DF tracks.

Lotus- Their car will be fundamentally fast, but the lack of 80hp in qualifying will show more than ever.


My view on the two DRS zones, is that all cars will be heavily compromised for clean air running in race. But, if you consider that Monza is the fastest track, you will see that the cars tend to circulate without the usual hitches like safety cars and chicanes. In other words Passes on leaders and backmarkers will be very frequent. It's gonna be a DRS frenzy and that compromise I mentioned earlier won't be as bad as a compromise as once thought!

Any thoughts?
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you missed out on a top3 for Toro Rosso .. :roll:
they looked really strong in Spa and have to be dark horse for a surpise in what is their home race.

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Indeed toro Rosso are looking really good, probably the underdogs but constantly unlucky. They could and should have scored big in Spa, but they were unlucky. Might even be a podium in there for one of the 2 guys? I dare to place the bet on that
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marcush. wrote:you missed out on a top3 for Toro Rosso .. :roll:
they looked really strong in Spa and have to be dark horse for a surpise in what is their home race.
:wink:
RedBull gave an order to cap that car's development. It should be a top three car but RedBull wouldn't have it taking the some of the spotlight, especially before the take over by the Spanish oil giant so yes, Torro Rosso is internally limited to given Downforce Level by RedBull.

And yes, that is why they are good at Spa and Monza where the aerodynamic efficiency of the car shines through.

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n smikle wrote:Didn't want to bring cars to the argument yet, but I have my reservations about this RB7... I think it is going to be the strongest at Monza. Did you guys see the Spa wing? and it was very strong at spa too.. good top speed.
Yeap. Skinniest wing they had in the paddock in Spa. They had to back their wing off a massive amount. If you looked at the thing the main plane was just about flat, and their flap was about 5cm vertically (they kind of had 2 flat planes with DRS activated)
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"Have to back the wings off" to maintain top speed, due to fear of being caught?

or

They have enough downforce from the floor so the wing is surplus to requirements?

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n smikle wrote: RedBull gave an order to cap that car's development. It should be a top three car but RedBull wouldn't have it taking the some of the spotlight, especially before the take over by the Spanish oil giant so yes, Torro Rosso is internally limited to given Downforce Level by RedBull.
A claim as lofty as that would need an equally lofty source for anyone to take it seriously.

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richard_leeds wrote:"Have to back the wings off" to maintain top speed, due to fear of being caught?

or

They have enough downforce from the floor so the wing is surplus to requirements?
They had to back the wings off so that they could be competitive in Sectors 1 and 3. BUT what was enabling it to back the wing off as much was probably the chassis/floor
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They have enough downforce to be able to make that choice, while other teams have to play to their strengths while hoping they can mask their weaknesses.


ps - when you say back off the wing, do you mean more or less downforce? I think I read it the wrong way in my post. I assumed that backing off meant less wing, less downforce.

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Backing off = lower AoA; shallower; less downforce; less drag.

But what I was getting gat was that they had backed their wing off so much; that I don't know how much more they can back it off (for Monza)
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Well there is no requirement for a rear wing in the regs, only a requirement for end plates for advertising. Also, cars "may" have DRS, the regs do not say they "shall" have them.

It'll be silly to have a flat plate instead of a wing, but they will be getting very shallow. I wonder if we'll see DRS that doesn't utilise the full 50mm permitted in the regs? ... or even no DRS?

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AUTOSPORT understands that teams have been told by Pirelli that the maximum limit it wants to see used at Monza is 3.75 degrees - which is a level that it feels will ensure no overheating problems on the straights but will also not hinder teams through the high-speed corners or chicanes.

At Spa, teams were asked not go beyond a 4-degree limit – but Red Bull Racing was understood to have pushed the limit to as far as 4.3 degrees. It was this that contributed to the tyres overheating on the straights – producing the blisters that proved so worrying ahead of the race.
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richard_leeds wrote:Well there is no requirement for a rear wing in the regs, only a requirement for end plates for advertising. Also, cars "may" have DRS, the regs do not say they "shall" have them.

It'll be silly to have a flat plate instead of a wing, but they will be getting very shallow. I wonder if we'll see DRS that doesn't utilise the full 50mm permitted in the regs? ... or even no DRS?
Yup; there was speculation earlier in the thread; and in the McLaren MP4-26 thread; that some cars may try such a setup; as was tried by Williams and I believe BAR too a while back
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MrBlacky wrote:
AUTOSPORT understands that teams have been told by Pirelli that the maximum limit it wants to see used at Monza is 3.75 degrees - which is a level that it feels will ensure no overheating problems on the straights but will also not hinder teams through the high-speed corners or chicanes.

At Spa, teams were asked not go beyond a 4-degree limit – but Red Bull Racing was understood to have pushed the limit to as far as 4.3 degrees. It was this that contributed to the tyres overheating on the straights – producing the blisters that proved so worrying ahead of the race.
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Pushing the limit all the way to 4.3 degrees... I got a good chuckle out of that.
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