Sebastian Vettel has won the Italian GP after taking the lead on lap 3 of the race. The World Champion was never threatened later on and controlled the remainder of the race. Jenson Button finished in second place while Fernando Alonso pleased the crowd with third place.
Huh? In what way would the race have been ruined? Sure, Schumacher wouldn't have been in front of Hamilton and we wouldn't have seen them battling it out, we lose there... But at the same time, we get to see the McLarens chase down Alonso and Vettel, and we don't get the leader romp into the distance. There really isn't any question of "ruining" a brilliant race.Dragonfly wrote:It seems to me that not so much the drivers, but their fans feel victimized.
And while I support your call for fairness, I can't accept the call to ruin a brilliant race just because your favourite has been penalized unfair at some point back in time. It's childish. It's not fairness, but vengeance.
The Schu / Ham battle was shown on TV for a very long time and I luved it. I doubt that either Hamilton or Button could have followed Vettel, so we'd have had the same procession of the first 5 cars we've had so many times. A couple of seconds apart form each other without any battles.beelsebob wrote:Huh? In what way would the race have been ruined? Sure, Schumacher wouldn't have been in front of Hamilton and we wouldn't have seen them battling it out, we lose there... But at the same time, we get to see the McLarens chase down Alonso and Vettel, and we don't get the leader romp into the distance. There really isn't any question of "ruining" a brilliant race.
Button was gaining (although only slightly) on Vettel, Hamilton once released was faster than Button... The variable we don't know is how much Vettel was managing the gap... But Hamilton later said he thought they had the pace to challenge red bull. I'm pretty sure we would have got an interesting race.Mandrake wrote:The Schu / Ham battle was shown on TV for a very long time and I luved it. I doubt that either Hamilton or Button could have followed Vettel, so we'd have had the same procession of the first 5 cars we've had so many times. A couple of seconds apart form each other without any battles.beelsebob wrote:Huh? In what way would the race have been ruined? Sure, Schumacher wouldn't have been in front of Hamilton and we wouldn't have seen them battling it out, we lose there... But at the same time, we get to see the McLarens chase down Alonso and Vettel, and we don't get the leader romp into the distance. There really isn't any question of "ruining" a brilliant race.
Your idea of what a defending move is incorrect. It does not involve braking from the defender. MS was completely wrong, and this is my last post in this thread.Mandrake wrote:@ kominosm, I think the discussion is a bit pointless....
In the textbook example you'd say that a driver comes from behind, out of the slipstream and tries to overtake with the additional speed he has. He mostly tries to do it on the inside. The covering driver tries to block the inside line and hopes that the overtaker cannot take advantage round the outside. This would be one move from the defender then. If he blocked the inside, and then went back to block the outside too, it would be 2 moves where he tries to defend twice from the same driver.
In Monza, Lewis' topspeed was too low to overtake Schumacher....he could barely keep up in the slipstream. So for Schumacher it would have been enough to just drive on the inside and cover the line because Lewis would not even get alongside on the outside. But Schumacher didn't care and didn't really move (talking about the S/F straight) until getting close to turn 1.
This is why I think it wasn't investigated by the Stewards....Schumacher was plainly too fast, he didn't have to defend from Hamilton.
To come back to the weaving in Malaysia, it was another story. Lewis tried to shake off Petrov in the slipstream, because Petrov would have reovertaken Lewis. MSC however didn't even feel the need to defend into Parabolica because Lewis in the wake of the MGP car couldn't home in a single bit.
In the whole Monza race I cannot a recall a single situation where Lewis had to brake because of being blocked off twice (with the exemption of being driven onto the grass by MSC).
Thank you very much for that laddie. Any idea when the Post Event Stewards Decisions will be available? Their seems to be some conflicting reports in the press as to whether Vettel requested an inquiry into a certain car pushing him off the track.richard_leeds wrote:I’ve been away and come back to see a race thread dominated by Hamilton. Some things never change.
Anyway, back to topic - I’ve captured the timing data and uploaded it to the data thread.
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I have never seen a stewards decissions document actually make it to the FIA's web page.Mr Alcatraz wrote:Thank you very much for that laddie. Any idea when the Post Event Stewards Decisions will be available? Their seems to be some conflicting reports in the press as to whether Vettel requested an inquiry into a certain car pushing him off the track.richard_leeds wrote:I’ve been away and come back to see a race thread dominated by Hamilton. Some things never change.
Anyway, back to topic - I’ve captured the timing data and uploaded it to the data thread.
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On a separate note Silvia Bellot is one fine looking Steward and I would certainly enjoy scrutinizing the b-jezzus out of her!
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