Mercedes GP W02

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dave34m wrote: 2. Here in Singapore they are bringing big updates (and the last ones for this year) regarding a much more sculpted sidepodes and a tighter rear-end, coupled with a new floor and a modified diffuser. They also have for this event a small alteration to the front wing and a single level radiator system which was run by Rosberg and that`s why he ran with the big bulb on the air box. This is in fact a larger cool duct in order to compensate the deficit in air cooling. These days all the teams are running their updates mostly in FP1 and unfortunately with a shortened session they didn`t run them properly, as Michael confirmed afterwards in the press conference after FP2.

3. It seems that the good results in the last races was due to the new simulator, because now they are more focus on race set-up and the results are accordingly with the simulator runs, as some guys are saying on other forums. Also Michael`s better form is related to this one, don`t you think, because of his last performances and the optimistic statements regarding the future?
Anyone have any pictures of the above?
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Seeing all the teams much slower then RBR they must have missed something.

RBR has something which gives them enormous grip in the corners, or the other teams have been stupid to build a car which is fast only over 1 lap.

Mercedes GP for instance build a car which did really good lap times at low fuel. Red Bull Racing did build a car on strategy for the complete weekend. (Different settings EBD for race and Quali)

There are enough explainations but nobody really has a clue why the RBR is so damn fast.
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yener wrote:Seeing all the teams much slower then RBR they must have missed something.

RBR has something which gives them enormous grip in the corners, or the other teams have been stupid to build a car which is fast only over 1 lap.

Mercedes GP for instance build a car which did really good lap times at low fuel. Red Bull Racing did build a car on strategy for the complete weekend. (Different settings EBD for race and Quali)

There are enough explainations but nobody really has a clue why the RBR is so damn fast.
It generates a bit more DF than the rest.
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I think generally it's a very good car, rather than just generating a lot of DF. It's very good under braking and traction as well. It's not stellar on drag level, but I'm willing to bet they have the best (even if only by a small margin) L/D ratio
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raymondu999 wrote:I think generally it's a very good car, rather than just generating a lot of DF. It's very good under braking and traction as well. It's not stellar on drag level, but I'm willing to bet they have the best (even if only by a small margin) L/D ratio
Im making a habit of disagreeing with you here Ray! :lol:

The car benefits from have a very good drag co efficient(Cd) as its top speed testifies. It lacks downforce as it visible slower in areas requiring DF and the sector times dont lie either, witness the final sector of Singapore...an astonishing 0.95 seconds in that sector alone in Q3 and the same amount during the practice sessions. That sector requires good downforce and also traction in and out of corners, the merc is good under braking, but cannot carry speed through the corner in the same way the F150th MP4-26 or RB7 can.

There is an intrinsic lack of downforce that is made up for the fact that they have pretty much optimised this car for straighline performance. Give this thing a straight and it flies, ably assisted by the Mercedes F0108Y.

My gripe is fairly obvious....tracks arent just straights, and while the W02 will win drag races, it gets punished at tracks like Hungary Monaco and Singapore. All I can say is, what was Loic Bigois thinking?

I keep repeating this, but I cant see how Mercedes can entrust such a sensitive postion to a guy that penned the brick wall W01, through to the very fluid W02(complete with DF flaws). Was he trying to overcompensate the W01 flaw? :idea:
More could have been done.
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I don't think we're disagreeing; we're misunderstanding! I was replying to dren/yener :P
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raymondu999 wrote:I think generally it's a very good car, rather than just generating a lot of DF. It's very good under braking and traction as well. It's not stellar on drag level, but I'm willing to bet they have the best (even if only by a small margin) L/D ratio
I agree it is good under braking and has good traction, but all of that is aided by higher levels of DF. I think fundementally the car is well rounded. Slap on more DF than the rest and it'll be that much better. If the W02 had similar DF levels with a similar L/D ratio to the Red Bull, I think the W02 would be fighting for victories.
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yener wrote: There are enough explainations but nobody really has a clue why the RBR is so damn fast.
Cheaters. Sooner or later they will be caught and punished :shock: :mrgreen:
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I do hope you're being sarcastic there. lol :P
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dren wrote:If the W02 had similar DF levels with a similar L/D ratio to the Red Bull, I think the W02 would be fighting for victories.
If my ass had similar DF levels with a similar L/D ratio to the Red Bull then I could fart race victories. Who cares? You can't praise a modern F1 car as being great except that it lacks RB aero performance. That's the whole enchilada.

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While I understand your point, bill, I don't think your thighs will be able to produce enough torque or power to get you through a lap :P
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is there an constructor whom Mercedes can hire to construct a better car (except Newey). I don't think that Newey is so exceptional. And there is no sign of Bell activity, hoping that he could create something very extraordinary, monster-car.
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Leon wrote:is there an constructor whom Mercedes can hire to construct a better car (except Newey). I don't think that Newey is so exceptional. And there is no sign of Bell activity, hoping that he could create something very extraordinary, monster-car.

I would guess Bell has been knee deep in W03 for quite some time meaning W02 has not really had his handprint on anything. It was very early in the season that they knew W02 was not going to do much meaning I am sure they devoted many of their resources to W03 as opposed to the instance were W02 more competitive. We will know much better what is brewing with Bell in '12.

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No sign of Bob Bell in the news is a good thing probably. It probably means he's busy making drawings rather than making headlines.
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bill shoe wrote:
dren wrote:If the W02 had similar DF levels with a similar L/D ratio to the Red Bull, I think the W02 would be fighting for victories.
If my ass had similar DF levels with a similar L/D ratio to the Red Bull then I could fart race victories. Who cares? You can't praise a modern F1 car as being great except that it lacks RB aero performance. That's the whole enchilada.
I wasn't praising the W02. I was stating the reason why I believe the Red Bull is so dominant.
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