Korean GP 2011 - Yeong-Am International Circuit

[raymondu999]

Ooops apologies...you right...I meant after the race restart LH closed the gap and came within DRS range. The Mclaren's were mightily quick...

Again. UNTIL THE FRONT WING ISSUES CAME.

You could HEAR the McLarens couldn't take the normally-flat Turn 17 flat out on throttle. The Red Bulls still could; and when the McLarens tried to they would end up wide.

As Lewis said; the team had put on the highest front flap angle they could; Lewis had unlocked the diff as much as it would go; and he was chucking the steering into corners; and the thing still wouldn't turn.

And this from a car that has had probably the strongest front end all year. How many times have we seen a McLaren behind another car (even the Red Bull) where the other car was struggling to make the apex yet the McLaren in the dirty air was holding a tighter line and hitting every apex?

Yes the nose has been mighty all year. It hasn't even noticed it if it was in dirty air. It just shrugs it off and carries on making the apex; while the other car doesn't even touch the kerb at times. As an example I always cite; look at the hairpin at Nurburgring, and Turn 1 at Nurburgring, or Rivage. This is NOT a car that generally understeers. Looking at Lewis's pole lap that front end was absolutely strong

[Traction]

AGAIN....LH SET, what was until 1 lap later, THE FASTEST LAP OF THE RACE IN THE 54th LAP.

[raymondu999]

That fastest lap meant nothing mate; SV set a lap that was only 0.05 slower than that about 10 laps before that; and set a lap 8.5 tenths quicker than that on the final lap. That lap from Lewis was faster than a cruising Red Bull. Even Mark in dirty air went faster than Lewis on the lap after that.

Hamilton's fastest lap on L54 was a 1:40.459. Vettel did a 1:40.974 in L36 18 laps earlier; and 1:40.679 on L45; 9 laps earlier

[lebesset]

as a measure of how much vettel had in hand his LAST lap was 1.4 seconds faster than any other he had done , and 2 seconds faster than the previous one

just thought it was time he did a fastest lap ...from his interview it was his first fastest lap of the year , a bit childish he said , but now he had one that was that , he was happy

I found it hard to believe that he hadn't had a fastest lap all year , but if your car is so fast that you are cruising it isn't necessary I suppose ; bet mark has had a few on principle though

[vall]

Let's not go into driver debates here. Right now the issue at hand is that shortly after the restart Lewis began losing time. Partly it was down to defending from Webber; and partly down to a front wing possibly stalled due to marbles inside the slot.

Marbles shooting around have been a problem since the start of the year - that's why we see most side pods and brake ducts still have meshes in them. The only weird thing is why haven't we seen this on the McLaren before this race? Did they change something with the slots in the front wing?

I also wonder why no other team ever got this problem? There FWs also have slot, wide and narrow.

[dave34m]

Strange that Webber is complaining by the timing of the last pitstop when it was him who followed Hamilton into the pits rather than do an extra lap. Seems odd that he should now claim he is frustated by the decision

"I was disappointed not to get second today," he told BBC Sport. "At the second stop we did the worst thing, we didn't stop the lap before Lewis or the lap after him, we stopped on the same lap."

[Mr Alcatraz]

Strange that Webber is complaining by the timing of the last pitstop when it was him who followed Hamilton into the pits rather than do an extra lap. Seems odd that he should now claim he is frustated by the decision

"I was disappointed not to get second today," he told BBC Sport. "At the second stop we did the worst thing, we didn't stop the lap before Lewis or the lap after him, we stopped on the same lap."

He came in when his team called him in. Do you have some evidence that he wasn't called in, and his pit crew just happened to be waiting for him with his tires?

[dave34m]

Strange that Webber is complaining by the timing of the last pitstop when it was him who followed Hamilton into the pits rather than do an extra lap. Seems odd that he should now claim he is frustated by the decision

"I was disappointed not to get second today," he told BBC Sport. "At the second stop we did the worst thing, we didn't stop the lap before Lewis or the lap after him, we stopped on the same lap."

He came in when his team called him in. Do you have some evidence that he wasn't called in, and his pit crew just happened to be waiting for him with his tires?

No, just strange to be whining about it now when he could have stayed out for another lap if he thought it was such a bad idea to pit on the same lap.

[Mr Alcatraz]

Strange that Webber is complaining by the timing of the last pitstop when it was him who followed Hamilton into the pits rather than do an extra lap. Seems odd that he should now claim he is frustated by the decision

"I was disappointed not to get second today," he told BBC Sport. "At the second stop we did the worst thing, we didn't stop the lap before Lewis or the lap after him, we stopped on the same lap."

He came in when his team called him in. Do you have some evidence that he wasn't called in, and his pit crew just happened to be waiting for him with his tires?

No, just strange to be whining about it now when he could have stayed out for another lap if he thought it was such a bad idea to pit on the same lap.

Dave would you mind posting the link that you are quoting from so I can check the context?

From what you have quoted it doesn't sound like he was whining, just disapointed that him and Lewis happened to be stopping on the same lap. They were too close on the track for his team to react and tell him to stay out. I'm no fan of Webbers but from what I've read he really enjoyed the dice with Lewis.
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/174116/1/w ... mpaign=rss
Plus he is not a whiner
Nothing like trying to put a negative spin on some of the best action we've seen all year

[dave34m]

He really is a bit of a whiner, IMO

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/72 ... f-pit-stop

[Mr Alcatraz]

He really is a bit of a whiner, IMO

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/72 ... f-pit-stop

Having read that article I can only say that you and I have a different understanding of the term "whining". So be it.

[dave34m]

He really is a bit of a whiner, IMO

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/72 ... f-pit-stop

Having read that article I can only say that you and I have a different understanding of the term "whining". So be it.

Yeah probably, it just seems hes saying that it's the teams fault that he couldn't get in front of Hamilton when he failed to pass him dispite being considerably quicker and being stuck behind him for around 30 laps. My point is it was Webber who followed Hamilton into the pits. The team probably didnt know Hamilton was pitting that lap so it was Webber who made te final decision to pit, at the end of the day it is the driver who makes that choice, if hes good enough to do that.
It was fantastic racing and I'm not complaining about that at all, watching Hamilton keep in front of Webber in a slower car was magic, just a shame that webber wants to blame the team for his inability to make the pass.

[Mr Alcatraz]

He really is a bit of a whiner, IMO

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/72 ... f-pit-stop

Yeah probably, it just seems hes saying that it's the teams fault that he couldn't get in front of Hamilton

Here is where our opinions diverge:
Every statement Webber made in the article you linked started with "we" not "they" or "them" Plus they were too close together on the track, I think Mark would have lost time if he decided to abort. It is just something that happened in a race and Webber mentioned it, it is as simple as that. It doesn’t take away from anything The B0ss accomplished.
I've already taken it for what I think it is worth, as apparently you have as well.
I think we simply disagree!

[dave34m]

Heres the youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnz5Ib6RG9I

After seeing this I can say he clearly isn't whining about it.

[djos]

Heres the youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnz5Ib6RG9I

After seeing this I can say he clearly isn't whining about it.

Lol, Webber telling it like it is as usual without dressing things up!

I must say I really enjoyed the battle of Lewis & Mark, you could see both drivers just giving it everything and giving each other respect! It was also nice to see the old Lewis back replacing Blewitt in the cockpit.