Korean GP 2011 - Yeong-Am International Circuit

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Red Bull brung Webber in for an undercut, they knew they couldn't wait for Lewis to pit and try to pull out a gap because they had seen how strong Lewis had been on his previous out lap. McLaren obviously say the undercut coming and responded immediately. It was pretty sharp defensive strategy from McLaren really, nothing Red Bull could have done.

I've really been quite disappointed with Webber, he seems to have settled in to a support role this year, he hasn't won a single race. Let's hope he changes that next year.

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dave34m wrote:Heres the youtube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnz5Ib6RG9I

After seeing this I can say he clearly isn't whining about it.
Good remarks and good spirit as always from Mark.

Frankly, as I was watching the pitstop, I couldn't help but think that the team made the absolutely wrong decision. Everything made sense for him to stay out and keep out. The more Hamilton stayed out, the more his tires would've degraded and Webber could've had a chance on passing him on the track. If Hamilton pitted, Mark could've made a larger gap to Hamilton which would've defended his position through a final pit on the surprisingly resilient options. Confusing choice by the team and Mark and one that didn't suit the situation. However, the outcome was still a benefit to the team, all in all good cheer, and hopefully the rest of the races will see Mark on the podium (perhaps top step) to get a nice WDC 1-2 for the team.

And he gained a place on the start!

---Begin Rant---
I think the team made the strategic move to maintain Vettel at the front of the grid. Webber, on the options, had the chance to make great gains which would've meant that Vettel, still on the primes, would've ended up either behind Webber or Hamilton in a pit stop. While the argument could be made that if the pit-stop strategy were wrong, Hamilton could've regained the lead after Webber's second pit if Vettel were behind Hamilton, Vettel was ahead enough that, at worst, he would've been between Webber and Hamilton. The strategic decision to keep Vettel in front and have Webber around Hamilton was to keep the pressure on Hamilton since the Mclarens were awfully fast on the DRS straight (as Hamilton demonstrated on Webber). So, knowing that, the team went with keeping Webber close to Hamilton and give Vettel a more comfortable lead to win the GP. As a Webber fan, it was incredibly frustrating to see him on a good set of options pit at the same time as a car with the super-softs, but from a team perspective, it was the call to make and they safely secured their WCC.
---End Rant---

On to India! If it's finished in time!

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Diesel wrote:Red Bull brung Webber in for an undercut, they knew they couldn't wait for Lewis to pit and try to pull out a gap because they had seen how strong Lewis had been on his previous out lap. McLaren obviously say the undercut coming and responded immediately. It was pretty sharp defensive strategy from McLaren really, nothing Red Bull could have done.

I've really been quite disappointed with Webber, he seems to have settled in to a support role this year, he hasn't won a single race. Let's hope he changes that next year.
I'd really like to see some footage of the pits and some of the team radio before the Hamilton/Webber pit stop. It would make sense to see Mclaren responding to Red Bull, and if that is so, then it was a good move.

As for his "settling," I think Mark has been pushing hard all year, but has had much more stumbling on new tires, starts, etc. compared to Vettel. Also, as F1 is very much a team sport, him and his engineers must have been in talks with the principals and Dietrich about the strategic goals were for the season. While it has been heart-breaking to see him always close but never getting the cigar, he has put in some hard, and entertaining, racing, and his contribution to the team's success this year cannot be underestimated.

I'm hoping for a 2nd place in the WDC, that way one can see him go from P4, P3, P2, and then to P1 in 2012 :D !

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Diesel wrote:Red Bull brung Webber in for an undercut, they knew they couldn't wait for Lewis to pit and try to pull out a gap because they had seen how strong Lewis had been on his previous out lap. McLaren obviously say the undercut coming and responded immediately. It was pretty sharp defensive strategy from McLaren really, nothing Red Bull could have done.

I've really been quite disappointed with Webber, he seems to have settled in to a support role this year, he hasn't won a single race. Let's hope he changes that next year.
Really? Which race were you watching? He clearly wasn't settling for anything and fought from the first lap!
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djos wrote:
Diesel wrote:Red Bull brung Webber in for an undercut, they knew they couldn't wait for Lewis to pit and try to pull out a gap because they had seen how strong Lewis had been on his previous out lap. McLaren obviously say the undercut coming and responded immediately. It was pretty sharp defensive strategy from McLaren really, nothing Red Bull could have done.

I've really been quite disappointed with Webber, he seems to have settled in to a support role this year, he hasn't won a single race. Let's hope he changes that next year.
Really? Which race were you watching? He clearly wasn't settling for anything and fought from the first lap!
What hampered him was what he described in the interview, where the RB7 and the MP4-26 had strengths in different areas that essentially kept them at a nerve-wracking stalemate. Throughout the corners Mark was able to get some great advances, but the Mclaren's power managed to keep the distance, especially on the straights. Some bold moves, but Mark never pushed to the point of endangering the car. Great, charged - but still smart - racing. No wins, but still in the fight for P2.

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Traction wrote:AGAIN....LH SET, what was until 1 lap later, THE FASTEST LAP OF THE RACE IN THE 54th LAP.
Also note that Vettel was told to save hos tyres when he was gapping at about 12s.
LH setting fastest lap had nothing to do with the Mclaren being the faster car today.

Vettel himself said the car was getting better and better each lap. Hamilton said the opposite.
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Vettel have everything covered again! This is the type of racing driver that I rarely see.
At the start, he knew that is when everyone had to be cautious as the tyre's grip is not familiar so that is the best chance to go aggressive and he went for it. Then he did well to build a gap so that Hamilton won't have the advantage of DRS. He made it look easy but I think he had plan this well after quali. He had to be aggressive and make it count even if it is against Lewis, he got the job done.

Then spots of rain and safety car came to attempt to ruin Vettel's day but like a typical Double Champ, he overcome such issues and made it look easy. He is definitely driver of the day for me.

Hamilton was a surprise for me. I thought he would runaway after such great quali performance. He was "dancing" at the edge of traction. Was Vettel sand bagging? Or was Lewis being told NOT to be a "bad boy"? I want to see Lewis feeling confident that he can attack and be smart enough to know that the attack won't end up him visiting the stewards office.

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djos wrote:
Diesel wrote:Red Bull brung Webber in for an undercut, they knew they couldn't wait for Lewis to pit and try to pull out a gap because they had seen how strong Lewis had been on his previous out lap. McLaren obviously say the undercut coming and responded immediately. It was pretty sharp defensive strategy from McLaren really, nothing Red Bull could have done.

I've really been quite disappointed with Webber, he seems to have settled in to a support role this year, he hasn't won a single race. Let's hope he changes that next year.
Really? Which race were you watching? He clearly wasn't settling for anything and fought from the first lap!
Then really what your saying is Webber simply isn't a match for Vettel? If he wasn't giving his maximum and still wasn't even close...

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Diesel wrote:
djos wrote:
Diesel wrote:Red Bull brung Webber in for an undercut, they knew they couldn't wait for Lewis to pit and try to pull out a gap because they had seen how strong Lewis had been on his previous out lap. McLaren obviously say the undercut coming and responded immediately. It was pretty sharp defensive strategy from McLaren really, nothing Red Bull could have done.

I've really been quite disappointed with Webber, he seems to have settled in to a support role this year, he hasn't won a single race. Let's hope he changes that next year.
Really? Which race were you watching? He clearly wasn't settling for anything and fought from the first lap!
Then really what your saying is Webber simply isn't a match for Vettel? If he wasn't giving his maximum and still wasn't even close...
Could you please clarify? Are you replying to the comment on top or above? It's just a little difficult to understand the "wasn't"s.

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Diesel wrote: Then really what your saying is Webber simply isn't a match for Vettel? If he wasn't giving his maximum and still wasn't even close...
I said no such thing, Webber clearly had the pace to win and had the pit stop strategy gone his way and he not been stuck behind lewis he would have been fighting Vettel for the win.
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dave34m wrote:Strange that Webber is complaining by the timing of the last pitstop when it was him who followed Hamilton into the pits rather than do an extra lap. Seems odd that he should now claim he is frustated by the decision

"I was disappointed not to get second today," he told BBC Sport. "At the second stop we did the worst thing, we didn't stop the lap before Lewis or the lap after him, we stopped on the same lap."

there is really nothing RBR could do if Mclaren are making their pit stop decision based on what RB pit crew are doing.

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Hamilton faught Webber on a pace and machinary level
and crossed the finish line accordingly.

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Anyone know what is the function of the blue button which Hamilton was told to use towards the end of the race?

Was it something to do with conserving fuel again?

Surprise to see Merc and Ferrari running out of fuel at the end, and if this continues, I dont see how they are going to have a chance to catch RB8 next year.


Has Adrian Newey stopped attending race to concentrate on RB8?

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CHT wrote:Anyone know what is the function of the blue button which Hamilton was told to use towards the end of the race?

Was it something to do with conserving fuel again?

Surprise to see Merc and Ferrari running out of fuel at the end, and if this continues, I dont see how they are going to have a chance to catch RB8 next year.


Has Adrian Newey stopped attending race to concentrate on RB8?
I was wondering about that as well.

I figure it is either some sort of fuel conservation mode, or a button increasing the revs - perhaps to keep Webber away? I thought there was a similar communication to another driver (Alonso, maybe) about push-to-pass.

I thought I saw Newey on the pitlane, but it could have been someone else. It makes sense that he would devote more time to the RB8, now that both championships are clinched.

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CHT wrote:
Surprise to see Merc and Ferrari running out of fuel at the end, and if this continues, I dont see how they are going to have a chance to catch RB8 next year.

I was wondering if there was going to have another moment with Alonso riding sidepod on Webber's car!