Mercedes GP front wing cascades (construction)

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Mercedes GP front wing cascades (construction)

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Merc Gp 2011 wing cascade singapore
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Sorry to disappoint, fellas...It was on another fourm..I should have redirected the link and not host it on my own. #-o


On topic now...are those cascades made of kevlar ?? or is it just glass fibres? Some FSAE teams use carbon-kevlar on the underside for wear resistance.

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Do they not use CF for them?
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The vertical central bit is made from CF, while the outer layer of the elements seems to be made of glass fibre or kevlar,

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I'd say it's Spectra - a synthetic with cut and abrasion resistance greater than Kevlar. The fuzzy ends, and large amount of "free fiber" pulled up along the broken areas suggest very high tensile strength and resistance to cutting.

S-glass wouldn't fuzz up around the broken edges of the part - glass tows would have broken more easily than the carbon fiber they're laminated with.

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Spectra:

Pros: It has excellent vibration damping.
Can withstand high-load strain-rate velocities. Foriegn objects hitting the wing?
I believe the strength in a little less than carbon fiber.

Cons: It exhibits permanent and continuous elongation under a sustained load (AKA: creep).

So, maybe we are seeing Spectra used as an outer lay for dampening and surface protection reasons.

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what about vectran?

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Looks an awful lot like the inside of my old hockey stick!

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Maybe there are some papers, articles, marketing material, etc. out there on hockey stick design and fabrication. Analysis of other subjects "somewhat" matching our F1 target subject is often the best we are going to be able to do.

Brian

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http://www.hockeysticks.co.uk/hockey_st ... erials.htm
Kevlar/Aramid: This fibrous material often used in built proof vests and body armour is very strong yet flexible. Kevlar or Aramid as it is generically called, is used to increase the strength of the stick to a level above that of fibreglass.

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"Aramid" is a very generic term...roughly on par with saying "composite" - it's not even really useful, as there are both para-aramids and meta-aramids, which are quite different from one another, and then there's differing fibers within each type.

Premise: Any fiber used in an F1 context is used for performance, so it won't be dyed to colors if it's being painted over. So this isn't a yellow fiber dyed white, it's a fiber that's ordinarily white. Kevlar is out.

Also, the way the fibers broke suggests they aren't fiberglass.

Could be innegra, spectra, or unicorn pubes. That's all I can think of.

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It would help if we laid out the performance requirements of the laminate materials for this part of the wing.

Is there a requirement to control carbon fiber shards during a accident?

Brian

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Some people have the notion that carbon fiber explodes into shrapnel on impact...not so. Yes, fractured edges of composites are typically sharp, but then again, the same goes with torn sheet metal. Yes, composites can beak into small shards, and they might even go flying off quickly. The problem is mass - composites are lightweight, and simply don't have the kinetic energy to go far, or do any real damage.

Take this vid, of USF1's crash test a couple years back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc0wFyCIDfE

The nose cone is designed so that the layers fracture in as many places as possible, as progressively as possible, absorbing the maximum amount of kinetic energy in the process. Most other parts, however, are made to be light and strong for their intended purpose - wing parts need to be stiff enough to not flap, but they're clearly vulnerable - endplates seem to get broken off all the time...so teams appear to have taken the position of "as light as possible", and take the durability that comes with it.

***This isn't about bendy wings...that behavior would happen closer to the mounting pylons.

I'd be more concerned about how the components of the wing are bonded to one another - in a crash, one entire cascade detatching and clunking me in the head. But even then, they're so bloody light it wouldn't do much!

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I think the concern is tire puncture from the bits of carbon fiber.

Brian