Silly Season 2011/2012

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ESP - Kimi & Sutil at make Lotus/Renault would be a very strong pairing, a complete contrast to the line up this year of Heidfeld filling and the two pay drivers. ( to be fair to Petrov, he's probably better than most pay drivers)

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xDama wrote:
Muulka wrote:I'm quite annoyed at this- that was Grosjean's seat, not for some overrated, unemotional, useless old man...
Who cares about Grosjean. Overrated, useless and old? That's Schumacher you're talking about ;)
Agreed – I'd much rather have a WDC who left because of wanting to do other fun stuff than a guy who was forced out for mostly being a bit crap.

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It would make sence to have two fast and strong drivers than one strong and one slightly weaker driver. Dont get me wrong, Petrov is a good driver, but is he in the class of what Kimi or Adrian are, not so much i think. I think he has taken over the Fisichella role well, a driver that is good with technichal feedback and development, but also happy to play second fiddle to a #1 driver. He is a capable driver of racing hard and fast, but not able to extract that final tenth into the car that can get that extra point or two.

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beelsebob wrote:
xDama wrote:
Muulka wrote:I'm quite annoyed at this- that was Grosjean's seat, not for some overrated, unemotional, useless old man...
Who cares about Grosjean. Overrated, useless and old? That's Schumacher you're talking about ;)
Agreed – I'd much rather have a WDC who left because of wanting to do other fun stuff than a guy who was forced out for mostly being a bit crap.
Well, Ferrari did pay him something like 40 million to not drive for them in 2010.
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Giblet wrote:Well, Ferrari did pay him something like 40 million to not drive for them in 2010.
This is something I've always wondered about – it was well known that Ferrari ejected him unseremoniously, but... why... what did he do that was worth $40 million in pain?

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Great news! I hope they keep Senna as 2nd driver, Petrov is too slow!
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ESPImperium wrote:It would make sence to have two fast and strong drivers than one strong and one slightly weaker driver. Dont get me wrong, Petrov is a good driver, but is he in the class of what Kimi or Adrian are, not so much i think. I think he has taken over the Fisichella role well, a driver that is good with technichal feedback and development, but also happy to play second fiddle to a #1 driver. He is a capable driver of racing hard and fast, but not able to extract that final tenth into the car that can get that extra point or two.
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beelsebob wrote:This is something I've always wondered about – it was well known that Ferrari ejected him unseremoniously, but... why... what did he do that was worth $40 million in pain?
It was all business in the end. Ferrari had no idea whether Philip Morris was going to stay on and Ferrari felt they needed to get Santander in as a new, potential title sponsor as soon as possible. Alonso was attached to that whole deal. It was the same for many teams at that time. No one lays out that kind of money unless they feel they really need to.

All business really.

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beelsebob wrote:
Giblet wrote:Well, Ferrari did pay him something like 40 million to not drive for them in 2010.
This is something I've always wondered about – it was well known that Ferrari ejected him unseremoniously, but... why... what did he do that was worth $40 million in pain?
AFAIK it was more about 25 million, but anyways, Raikkonen had a contract for 2010 at Ferrari, so to compensate him for not having a race seat, they paid his wage just like they would have if he would have raced.

Not sure what to think about this though. Is Kimi now also into it with shares (because that's what he was steering at with Williams).

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Maybe Kimi said "Sure, I'll be a pay driver, but I want stock in the team". We know Lotus likes pay drivers.

I might be incorrect on the amount, but it was no small pudding. Either way Ferrari is indirectly funding Lotus/Renault :)\\ :lol:
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Well, it seems as though he's taken Bahar's non-existent money. We'll see how long that house of cards lasts......

Pity really. I think that team is still very good technically but the people running it are a bunch of idiots. We'll see what Raikkonen can drag out of the whole sorry mess.

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Tomba wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Giblet wrote:Well, Ferrari did pay him something like 40 million to not drive for them in 2010.
This is something I've always wondered about – it was well known that Ferrari ejected him unseremoniously, but... why... what did he do that was worth $40 million in pain?
AFAIK it was more about 25 million, but anyways, Raikkonen had a contract for 2010 at Ferrari, so to compensate him for not having a race seat, they paid his wage just like they would have if he would have raced.

Not sure what to think about this though. Is Kimi now also into it with shares (because that's what he was steering at with Williams).
Right, what I'm getting at though is... even though Alonso is really good, if you were in ferrari's shoes, would you *really* sacrifice a driver's wage for a year just to get Alonso into the seat instead of Raikonnen? Surely there must have been more to it than just "we want Alonso over you" or they would have waited a year, no?

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First off I think it's great to see kimi back.

But I reckon there are 2 reasons why he chose LRGP.
Firstly they are more competitive than Williams. And secondly, I reckon Kimi has made a deal of sorts that would see him being paid shares instead of cold hard cash.
Reasons for this?
Well he already has a team in lower formulae. And he is flush for cash, being the pragmatic bloke he is, I reckon he's angling for his own team one day. He can do and say whatever he likes then! 8)
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Kimi Raikkonen on his comeback in F1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu8Uy9Pk ... e=youtu.be
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munudeges wrote:
Pity really. I think that team is still very good technically but the people running it are a bunch of idiots. We'll see what Raikkonen can drag out of the whole sorry mess.
Agree. Well, atleast we'll get to see Kimi n Schumi racing each other in the midfield. :D
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