Silly Season 2011/2012

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I can see Kubica in a Ferrari in the middle of 2012 pounding the miles in a F10 getting him ready for 2013, unless Ferrari sign Webber for Massas seat.

And from what Ted Kravits said in his post Brazil rundown, he said Kubica would take at least next year to get back to fitness as there has been alot of musscle wastage in his body and not his body would take a decent time to get this fitness back after talking to some medical specialists.

Im expecting Webber for Ferrari in 2013 unless one of the 4 drivers Red Bull cant peove they can step up to the plate and take over Webbers seat next year. Im thinking that Webber for Ferrari and the Riccardo for Webber.

If Red Bull re-sign Webber Ferrari are left somewhat shaky as id recon that they would be wanting to see Perez or a young/younger estabilised driver step into that seat.

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If Renault manage to find some non-imaginary money could we see a Kubica/Iceman pairing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Giedo van der Garde tweet:

GvanderGarde: Goodnight! Tomorrow interesting daY... I wish i can say more but i cant!...

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cbbcisace wrote:Giedo van der Garde tweet:

GvanderGarde: Goodnight! Tomorrow interesting daY... I wish i can say more but i cant!...
Interesting. I have a nagging feeling it'll be something about a DTM race seat.

Although, after reading some other tweets, he said he's going to the UK for a meeting which makes me think he could get some sort of seat for Williams as he's been linked to them recently. He also has links to Force India, but I doubt he'll get any kind of seat there.
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Kubica's career is over. Kimi in the seat for 2 years? :)
Boulier was being a little facetious when he said the doors will always be open for Robert. Door open to being a test driver he means!
Hiring Kimi is almost like erasing all momory of Robert, but i guess the show must go on.
Robert can't drive for ferarri in 2013 either. He is still unproven, both before and after the accident. They wont put a man with a slow arm, and 2 years without driving an F1 car in the 2013 ferarri. It's too risky.
Robert would have to get a drive elsewhere and start over from scratch in proving that he is one of the best.
With his accident his past doesn't matter any more.

It's like putting a 60 year old mohamed ali with parkinsons in the ring, simply on the basis of his past. It just doesn't make sense. The same can be said of Robert, as good as he used to be, it doesn't make him any more valuable a driver in his current state.
Getting Kimi in that seat was a swift and practical move by Boulier. Stake holders had him under pressure.

Now for Sutil to get seat #2 or go to williams or ferrari.
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ringo wrote:Kubica's career is over. Kimi in the seat for 2 years? :)
Boulier was being a little facetious when he said the doors will always be open for Robert. Door open to being a test driver he means!
Hiring Kimi is almost like erasing all momory of Robert, but i guess the show must go on.
Robert can't drive for ferarri in 2013 either. He is still unproven, both before and after the accident. They wont put a man with a slow arm, and 2 years without driving an F1 car in the 2013 ferarri. It's too risky.
Robert would have to get a drive elsewhere and start over from scratch in proving that he is one of the best.
With his accident his past doesn't matter any more.

It's like putting a 60 year old mohamed ali with parkinsons in the ring, simply on the basis of his past. It just doesn't make sense. The same can be said of Robert, as good as he used to be, it doesn't make him any more valuable a driver in his current state.
Getting Kimi in that seat was a swift and practical move by Boulier. Stake holders had him under pressure.

Now for Sutil to get seat #2 or go to williams or ferrari.
Are you not following the news? Why does Eric Boullier still want to have Robert Kubica back? Kimi Raikkonen is also unproven, you have'nt even seen him perform in F1 the last two years(Michael Schumacher is the benchmark) and what about his performance before he left?!

You are talking about Ferrari can't do this or that and that it's too risky. Robert Kubica has to start over again and prove that he is one of the best? You've got to be kidding? Me, myself I don't dare say anything before I at least see how Robert Kubica does at testing and how Kimi Raikkonen does in his first couple of races. I tell you one thing, if he gets beaten by Petrov(I really hope not) I'll LMFAO when I think about your post! :wink:

You write as you are certain of everything. There is only one type of personality that does that, guess which? :o

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I think Kimi can be beaten by petrov too.
I know robert will be beaten by any driver if he returns at any period in 2012.

As for ferrari 2013, it's bad PR if they have 2 consecutive crash drivers in their cars. Massa then Robert. I don't why they should carry the burden of robert when there are so many other fit and ready #2 for Alonso. Robert may very well be back with sauber by 2013.
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There is a lot of time between now and 2013 testing for Robert to have a chance to prove he is back up the task in proper machinery.

Talking in absolutes is a little crazy at this point. Actually, one of the definitions of crazy is always dealing in absolutes :)

I would rather have a slightly flawed Kubica over a perfect Petrov any day.
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ringo wrote:I think Kimi can be beaten by petrov too.
I know robert will be beaten by any driver if he returns at any period in 2012.

As for ferrari 2013, it's bad PR if they have 2 consecutive crash drivers in their cars. Massa then Robert. I don't why they should carry the burden of robert when there are so many other fit and ready #2 for Alonso. Robert may very well be back with sauber by 2013.
I don't think he will be back if he does'nt feel he can be as competitive as before the accident. Hence no chance in any scenario that he will be beaten by anyone. :lol:

Now you are in PR as well? Yes, you are right, people hardly pay attention to someone who has the qualities of a WDC, has an almost fatal accident, then makes a sensational comeback! :lol:
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So is Petrov confirmed for next year? If so that's bad news for Bruno Senna and Romain Grosjean :/

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Why do people think that Robert Kubica , with 2 years out due to life and career threatening injury will be any better than Kimi Raikkonnen who took 2 years out to go and play rallying?

Who would I bet on to be sharp and have the skills? Not Robert..which is a shame

Robert Kubica is (sadly) an ex F1 driver. All the will in the world is not going to have him racing and winning in the future- which he struggled to do when at his peak.
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CMSMJ1 wrote:Why do people think that Robert Kubica , with 2 years out due to life and career threatening injury will be any better than Kimi Raikkonnen who took 2 years out to go and play rallying?

Who would I bet on to be sharp and have the skills? Not Robert..which is a shame

Robert Kubica is (sadly) an ex F1 driver. All the will in the world is not going to have him racing and winning in the future- which he struggled to do when at his peak.
Please be more informed next time you post so you don't have to annoy me. His rally accident was february 6th this year. Who knows if the accident will make him worse or even better as a driver(you obviously have'nt followed his career)? You must have some information that no one else has(doctors, manager and paddock)? :shock:

P.S. I'm not involved in any specualtions about Kubica vs. Raikkonen in 2012.
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Neco FEROX wrote:So is Petrov confirmed for next year? If so that's bad news for Bruno Senna and Romain Grosjean :/
Here's some info:

http://en.espnf1.com/renault/motorsport ... 65717.html
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ESPImperium wrote:I can see Kubica in a Ferrari in the middle of 2012 pounding the miles in a F10 getting him ready for 2013, unless Ferrari sign Webber for Massas seat.
I tend to agree with this. I was the one saying Kubica was probably lost for 2012 when most were suggesting he would be driving (at least a 3 year old challenger) by the end of 2011. In the big picture I still think the odds are against him. Ferrari has the resources to give Kubica a decent salary to pound laps around Mugello, and Fiorano in an F10 in 2012 to see if he can rediscover his magic. Plus it’s plausible in another sense; His doctors and phyisios are in Italy. He is fluent in the language, and he has lived there for almost his entire racing life. If (and this is a very big if) the guy did actually make it all the way back it would be the “Feel good” racing story of the modern era. I have very little doubt that a major motion picture would be a made about his struggle and triumph.
The other thing is it seems that no one is giving Felipe baby a chance of finding Ferrari's 2012 challenger more to his liking, and having a good year. I wouldn't bet on it, but I wouldn't completely discount it either.
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I don't think Webber will join Ferrari. If he does, he better expect to end his career there because racing for Ferrari alongside Alonso will be just like racing for Red Bull alongside Vettel. If he thinks RB are giving Vettel special treatment, he should also expect the same from Ferrari towards Alonso.
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