Help on 2012 exhaust exits for cardboard model

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allstaruk08
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Help on 2012 exhaust exits for cardboard model

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hello people im building a cardboard model of a drawing i did for the 2011 season but im modifying the model for the 2012 season and was just wondering if the exhaust pipes have to be slightly sticking out of the bodywork or can the exhaust exit be inside the bodywork as long as the exhaust exit are inside the guideline rectangle

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allstaruk08
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nah i mean like in this pic from scarbs http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/201 ... xhaust.jpg can the bodywork extend further than the exhaust tips, so you can shape the body work to direct the exhaust gases a certain direction even though the the exhaust are fully legal.

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JohnsonsEvilTwin
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That contravenes the law that forbids the exhaust gasses to be used as an aerodynamic aid
More could have been done.
David Purley

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JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:That contravenes the law that forbids the exhaust gasses to be used as an aerodynamic aid
Jeah you have totaly righ!
allstaruk08 wrote:nah i mean like in this pic from scarbs http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/201 ... xhaust.jpg can the bodywork extend further than the exhaust tips, so you can shape the body work to direct the exhaust gases a certain direction even though the the exhaust are fully legal.
pascaljackson wrote:you think of something like this dont you?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/idea20121.png/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/idea20123.png/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/idea20122.png/
if i understood scarbs right this is not allowed...
I m sure that will be baned imediatly after firsta test sesion in Jerez!
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allstaruk08
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Okie dokie thanks for that, is the ban on the exhaust positioning for aerodynamic aid or is it on the gases?

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raymondu999
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The ban is on the exhausts being pointed at anything solid for a set distance. I can't remember what that is right now though.
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scarbs
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Nothing can be in the way of the exhaust exit path up to the rear axle line, neither can any bodywork sit over the top of this path. This path must be inline with the last 100mm of the exhaust pipe, as a diverging cone (3-degrees).
Aside from some ambiguity in the brake duct definition, I can't see how any bodywork can deflect this exhaust flow.

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JohnsonsEvilTwin
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@scarbs

You wouldn't want hot air passing through brake ducts!
But I see what you mean, they could be "brake ducts" right? :wink:
More could have been done.
David Purley

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LOL you're right, you don't want to blow into the inlet scoop for brake cooling.

But the other 'bodywork' around the brake ducts, still seems a development path to be investigated. Rear brake ducts have huge potential for downforce (with or without exhaust blowing). There's a 120mm wide span and upto a 450mm chord length to be exploited. Plus the ducts 'can' be closer to the exhaust exit than the rear wing. Although their sensitivity to throttle and rear ride height (hence brake duct fin position relative to exhaust outlet) might make them unsuitable to be blown.

allstaruk08
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i was thinking having a brake duct which is fed from the bottom (with mesh to stop debris getting in like on the mclaren) with a scoop deflecting air up into the brake duct and then blow the exhaust to the aero pieces you normally see on the brake ducts but more aggressive aero department. option 2 was to have the exhausts inside the bodywork (but within the regulated area) and use the bodywork which would be coated in heat proofing and the deflect the gases up or at a shallower angle blowing the rear wing. what do you's think good ideas or daft ??