Silly Season 2011/2012

[djos]

Alguersuari came straight out of GP2, and in his second season he scored 5 points. One year after that, he scored 26! I think he was on the road to some really good results. Unfortunately, he wasn't good enough for Red Bull, and I believe that Red Bull had a part in signing Vergne and Ricciardo. They'll just cycle through until they get another "Vettel".

Algy and Buemi are good drivers but neither of them has ever put the TR cars further up the grid than they deserved to be.

Just look at what Vettel & Webber managed in non-front running cars; Vettel won Monza in the Rain for STR and Webber frequently put Williams Cars, and Jag's before that, where they had no right to be (nearly won a wet Jap GP before being skewered by Vettel under a safety car and came close to a Monaco Podium or better on merit before his Williams caught fire while in 3rd place).

PS, the same can be said of Alonso, Hamilton and Button - they've all show that ability to find something special that makes you go wow!

[ringo]

What a joke by STR/RBR. Any support from my behalf has just gone out the window.

WTF!!! Jaime and Seb have done nothing special in their 2 years at TR and deserved to be turfed!

Daniel and Jean-Eric will both do a much better job with the opportunity TR has given them!

If Webber retires next year it will be out of either Dan or JE to replace him, frankly neither JA or SB had done anywhere near enuf to be considered worthy of an RBR seat!

How do say that so assertively?
I wont be surprised if the new guys get the boot in 2013 or 2014.

[ringo]

All seats were simply payed for or impossible for an up and coming driver to get. Post 2007 rookies have no hope, simple.
F1 needs to address the shortage some how.

I think one problem is that GP2 graduates expect a seat in Formula One straight out of GP2. In the future, GP2 grads are going to have to have a lot more achievements on their CV for an F1 seat...or cash.

Maybe someone should think about the possibility of another series under F1, but above GP2. GP1 anybody?

It has to be equal to F1. Having a a series a level bellow will result in the same problem of having eligible drivers not being able to get a seat.
Drivers need to know they can look elsewhere for the ultimate in motorsport.

[scuderiafan]

All seats were simply payed for or impossible for an up and coming driver to get. Post 2007 rookies have no hope, simple.
F1 needs to address the shortage some how.

I think one problem is that GP2 graduates expect a seat in Formula One straight out of GP2. In the future, GP2 grads are going to have to have a lot more achievements on their CV for an F1 seat...or cash.

Maybe someone should think about the possibility of another series under F1, but above GP2. GP1 anybody?

It has to be equal to F1. Having a a series a level bellow will result in the same problem of having eligible drivers not being able to get a seat.
Drivers need to know they can look elsewhere for the ultimate in motorsport.

Very true. I think in the future, we will start to see more and more Formula 1 drivers, or graduates of F3, GP2, etc. begin to race in sports cars and at Le Mans.

[djos]

What a joke by STR/RBR. Any support from my behalf has just gone out the window.

WTF!!! Jaime and Seb have done nothing special in their 2 years at TR and deserved to be turfed!

Daniel and Jean-Eric will both do a much better job with the opportunity TR has given them!

If Webber retires next year it will be out of either Dan or JE to replace him, frankly neither JA or SB had done anywhere near enuf to be considered worthy of an RBR seat!

How do say that so assertively?
I wont be surprised if the new guys get the boot in 2013 or 2014.

Easy, take Dan for example, he was 1.6 seconds faster around AD last year than Vettels pole time of that same year (yes more rubber had gone down but shows talent none the less) and consistently smashed every other "young driver" across every available metric. Then this year they put him in a POS HRT more than halfway thru the year and he starts going quicker than Tonio (who is no slouch and has had all year to get used to the car) and he even manages to out race the virgins on iirc 2 occasions!

I will admit that I know less about Jean-Eric but have heard more than a few commentators talk him up.

[godlameroso]

I know one of the TR drivers will no longer be there after this year. One of them is moving up to Red Bull.

[djos]

I know one of the TR drivers will no longer be there after this year. One of them is moving up to Red Bull.

If Webber continues his end of 2011 season form I doubt very much he'll be retiring from RBR - unless of course Ferrari come knocking to replace the their current 2nd car seat warmer with a real Driver.

[Donuts]

I know one of the TR drivers will no longer be there after this year. One of them is moving up to Red Bull.

If Webber continues his end of 2011 season form I doubt very much he'll be retiring from RBR - unless of course Ferrari come knocking to replace the their current 2nd car seat warmer with a real Driver.

You have to be joking? Beacuse Horner let him win one race and it happened to be the last one of the season you say he has a good end of season form? He was outclassed by Vettel all season and only made the podium in half of the ten last races! If Webber was the number one driver, Red Bull would not have won the WDC, it's as simple as that! He's doing slightly more than Massa is doing for Ferrari. But I guess as long as he does'nt cost them the WCC he's safe...

The only thing I've seen improve in Webber is that he is no longer thinking "I'm never going to let anyone pass, I rather take a chance that I get out clean from a shunt". Thru all his years in F1, he has tremendously many stupid DNF's, but not this year.

[djos]

I know one of the TR drivers will no longer be there after this year. One of them is moving up to Red Bull.

If Webber continues his end of 2011 season form I doubt very much he'll be retiring from RBR - unless of course Ferrari come knocking to replace the their current 2nd car seat warmer with a real Driver.

You have to be joking? Beacuse Horner let him win one race and it happened to be the last one of the season you say he has a good end of season form? He was outclassed by Vettel all season and only made the podium in half of the ten last races! If Webber was the number one driver, Red Bull would not have won the WDC, it's as simple as that! He's doing slightly more than Massa is doing for Ferrari. But I guess as long as he does'nt cost them the WCC he's safe...

The only thing I've seen improve in Webber is that he is no longer thinking "I'm never going to let anyone pass, I rather take a chance that I get out clean from a shunt". Thru all his years in F1, he has tremendously many stupid DNF's, but not this year.

You don't actually watch F1 do you?

[Donuts]

You don't actually watch F1 do you?

You don't seem to. I've almost not missed a qualifying or race since 2006(prior to this year I also used to watch FP1-3). I've also seen several races on location. Let's not dig to deep, but what is so good with Webber's form in the latter part of the season? Maybe you missed that the only race he won, was when Vettel had a gearbox "failure"! Let's see how many pole positions did Vettel have... how many did Webber...

[djos]

You don't actually watch F1 do you?

You don't seem to. I've almost not missed a qualifying or race since 2006(prior to this year I also used to watch FP1-3).

Where you asleep when Webber got 3 poles, 7 fastest race laps (the most of any driver for 2011) & 2 of the best over takes of 2011 (both on Alonso) ...... I'd go so far as to say that the OT on Alonso at Spa was one of the best passes I've ever seen and I've been watching since the mid 80's. The spa pass was voted best OT of 2011 by The F1 Fanatic readers by a big margin!

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/12/04/v ... akes-2011/

yes Webber had a hard time adapting to the Pirelli tires early, suffered a few KERS issues in qually and spent most of the year having his car bog down off the line at the starts, however unlike a certain seat warmer at Ferrari*, we always saw him fight his way back up the grid to grab 10 podiums for the year!

*Alonso got 10 Podiums also, Massa got None, Nada, Zip, Zero Podiums!

[Donuts]

You don't actually watch F1 do you?

You don't seem to. I've almost not missed a qualifying or race since 2006(prior to this year I also used to watch FP1-3).

Where you asleep when Webber got 3 poles, 7 fastest race laps (the most of any driver for 2011) & 2 of the best over takes of 2011 (both on Alonso) ...... I'd go so far as to say that the OT on Alonso at Spa was one of the best passes I've ever seen and I've been watching since the mid 80's. The spa pass was voted best OT of 2011 by The F1 Fanatic readers by a big margin!

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/12/04/v ... akes-2011/

yes Webber had a hard time adapting to the Pirelli tires early, suffered a few KERS issues in qually and spent most of the year having his car bog down off the line at the starts, however unlike a certain seat warmer at Ferrari, we always saw him fight his way back up the grid to grab 15 podiums for the year!

Allright, I understand I've struck a soft spot. But don't you think:
A. The race is not for fastest lap(if it was, would Webber win when he can't get pole)
B. Not everyone agrees on witch is the "best" takeover
C. Bogged down sounds like it's not Webber's fault he's lost the most places in the start of any driver this season
D. Driving up the field in the best car is not that impressive
E. You can only compare yourself to your teammate

P.S. I've also watched since the mid 80's, but to be fair, I can't remeber to much from those years. 90's better and so on... Hakkinen was a real boost, contrary to Schumacher.

[djos]

Allright, I understand I've struck a soft spot. But don't you think:

Your original point was that Webber didnt show decent form in the last half of the 2011 season, i'm merely proving that statement to be incorrect and believe I have done so and I wasn't just pointing to the fairly lucky victory in Brazil!

Mark Raced well even if his starts where rubbish ... btw, did you notice that Seb's were consistently below par also and they both started to get some good ones going with a handful of races to go? Horner had the following to say after Spa:

"We do need to look at it quite carefully because our starts at the beginning of the year were excellent, very strong. But over the last couple of races we've lost a bit of performance on the start line, so whether that's an effect of low downforce is something we need to understand."

[JohnsonsEvilTwin]

Alguesari not bitter after the axe. Actually went on to thank red bull for their part in his f1 career.

The more I hear this lad talk the more I like him. Wonder where he will end up...

[Trailer23]

I think its atrocious the way Alguersuari got axed just so they could get Ricciardo & Vergne race seats.

The guy proved himself worthy of being with STR for 2012 & the points don't lie.

Comparing him to Vettel & his race win (with STR) is uncalled for 'cause in my opinion back then STR was a different car.

For Jaime, a move to HRT would be a major step back - but if that is the only seat to be offered, I suppose he'll take it rather be a Reserve Driver for another squad.

Question now is whether he'll be under Red Bull for a possible drive with Red Bull Racing (replacing Mark Webber in 2013) or be on his own from point on.