Mercedes AMG F1 W03 (pre-launch speculation)

[NonNewtonic]

Yes indeed Mercedes is the team where the most ex-technical boss working together under one roof! But it seems like none of the other top teams really concern on this issue as most of them are being fired from their previous employer due to lack of performance in the car. And another thing is will there be even more conflict in the team due to the numbers of ex-technical boss working in the same team as all of them have a lot of experience and used to design race winning cars

[dren]

Yes indeed Mercedes is the team where the most ex-technical boss working together under one roof! But it seems like none of the other top teams really concern on this issue as most of them are being fired from their previous employer due to lack of performance in the car. And another thing is will there be even more conflict in the team due to the numbers of ex-technical boss working in the same team as all of them have a lot of experience and used to design race winning cars

I don't think there will be as much conflict as some suggest. It sounds like Willis is doing what he wants to do. Bell is in a similar position that he's been in before. Costa designed some good mechanically sound Ferraris. He'll be good on that side of things. I see it going rather smoothly.

[NonNewtonic]

Yes indeed Mercedes is the team where the most ex-technical boss working together under one roof! But it seems like none of the other top teams really concern on this issue as most of them are being fired from their previous employer due to lack of performance in the car. And another thing is will there be even more conflict in the team due to the numbers of ex-technical boss working in the same team as all of them have a lot of experience and used to design race winning cars

I don't think there will be as much conflict as some suggest. It sounds like Willis is doing what he wants to do. Bell is in a similar position that he's been in before. Costa designed some good mechanically sound Ferraris. He'll be good on that side of things. I see it going rather smoothly.

Hope that you are right we will never know whats happening back in the factory

[spadeflush]

I visited the Mercedes factory in October just before the Japanese GP weekend. Obviously I wasnt allowed inside the premises but i was at the checkpost for quite a while. Chatted with an engineer trying to find out whats going on inside the factory but of course he gave away nothing.

But i actually mentioned this forum to him (the W02 thread back then)...maybe they can find an interesting concept speculated by someone over here

[mep]

I wonder how he reacted after you suggested him to read this forum to improve his work.

[FrukostScones]

Hello Mercedes-engineer! Please this time: Build a free floating beam wing!

[aleks_ader]

Hello Mercedes-engineer! Please this time: Build a free floating beam wing!

What exactly do you mean?

Beam wing is main rear crash structure? So that will so very difficult!

[FrukostScones]

Hello Mercedes-engineer! Please this time: Build a free floating beam wing!

What exactly do you mean?

Beam wing is main rear crash structure? So that will so very difficult!

Back in 2009 I read that with the small diffuser (before DDD ), the flow to the beam wing is where you can gain the most.
I have no knowledge in aero, it is just what I ve read, and many people on the forum maybe know that and understand it properly.

edit: ignore the red circle!

[wesley123]

There can be huge gains made in that are, that is correct. I think it is in the region of 10% more area that you have available, let alone a lower crash structure thus lower CoG here

[dren]

The team should be able to with a longer wheelbase car.

[aleks_ader]

Sorry guys but i know hoy you could gain the downforce from this "beam" wing...

i also ilustrated the nonsense of "floating" beam wing...

Maybe i just to overrated this words sorry!

Maybe the mr. FrukostScones mean design the Red bull beam wing where is aproach to the beam wing design slighty diferent like the others,,,

[MercAMGF1Fans]

Hello guys,
it's quite interesting to see what's going on here with speculation and counter-speculation.

we can continue arguing or guessing at what Mercedes are on about.
But, I prefer we stick to the facts.
Sam Bird had said what he said in Abu Dhabi

Sam Bird did confirm after the Abu Dhabi test on his twitter page that the new car is well advanced and will be radical

let's take the word "radical" - By Definition it means:

thoroughgoing or extreme, especially as regards change from accepted or traditional forms: a radical change in the policy of a company.

Clearly, what He's actually hinting at is that Mercedes have taken an "Extream" approach on the W03's design.

Our Second bit of news - and I'm trying to keep my feet solidly on the ground.

MGP W03 chassis with rear suspension has been already prepared in factory for two months and now being fine tuned. And the W03 will be a 'radical' car with innovative radiators layout. - said Sam

The suspension and radiators - clearly, either they're going for a pull rod layout, or rotary dampers.. Radiators - well they've been with the double-deck design since the 2009 BGP001.. so i'm not gonna speculate what "innovative" can be.

Also, Ross had said in a recent interview on Autosport that the Short wheel-base design didn't pay off, largely due to, yep you guessed it.. EBD, or OTBD etc,
this hurt the tyres massively. Cos the EBD took away the disadvantage of the Longer wheelbase.
Short wheel base meant higher CoG, and that's why the race pace was appalling with the higher fuel loads.
And remember, no EBD next year..
So, with all of this in mind, I'd say that the W03 should have:
1. Pullrod Suspension - or Rotary dampers (see Scarbsf1's article)
2. no Double-deck radiators
3. a slightly longer wheelbase to cope with the CoG problems
4. Possibility of the Front wing F-Duct
5. AMG Logos

one more innovation
http://mercedesgp-fans.com/web/2011/11/ ... from-2012/

[MercAMGF1Fans]

Yes indeed Mercedes is the team where the most ex-technical boss working together under one roof! But it seems like none of the other top teams really concern on this issue as most of them are being fired from their previous employer due to lack of performance in the car. And another thing is will there be even more conflict in the team due to the numbers of ex-technical boss working in the same team as all of them have a lot of experience and used to design race winning cars

ok.. Autosport have the answer to the "tech staff" structuring

Bob Bell - Technical Director
Aldo Costa - Engineering Director
Geoff Willis - Technology Director

Willis and Costa will head up groups that report to Bell, Aldo will mainly be responsible for Mechanical and hard design of the car (Suspension, Chassis, and transmission), and R&D.
Willis will be mainly responsible for Vehicle dynamics, aero, control systems (gearbox fuctions, diff, and controls)
John Owens will remain Chief Designer and will be under Costa.

[Hemsy]

Hello guys,
it's quite interesting to see what's going on here with speculation and counter-speculation.

we can continue arguing or guessing at what Mercedes are on about.
But, I prefer we stick to the facts.
Sam Bird had said what he said in Abu Dhabi

Sam Bird did confirm after the Abu Dhabi test on his twitter page that the new car is well advanced and will be radical

let's take the word "radical" - By Definition it means:

thoroughgoing or extreme, especially as regards change from accepted or traditional forms: a radical change in the policy of a company.

Clearly, what He's actually hinting at is that Mercedes have taken an "Extream" approach on the W03's design.

Our Second bit of news - and I'm trying to keep my feet solidly on the ground.

MGP W03 chassis with rear suspension has been already prepared in factory for two months and now being fine tuned. And the W03 will be a 'radical' car with innovative radiators layout. - said Sam

The suspension and radiators - clearly, either they're going for a pull rod layout, or rotary dampers.. Radiators - well they've been with the double-deck design since the 2009 BGP001.. so i'm not gonna speculate what "innovative" can be.

Also, Ross had said in a recent interview on Autosport that the Short wheel-base design didn't pay off, largely due to, yep you guessed it.. EBD, or OTBD etc,
this hurt the tyres massively. Cos the EBD took away the disadvantage of the Longer wheelbase.
Short wheel base meant higher CoG, and that's why the race pace was appalling with the higher fuel loads.
And remember, no EBD next year..
So, with all of this in mind, I'd say that the W03 should have:
1. Pullrod Suspension - or Rotary dampers (see Scarbsf1's article)
2. no Double-deck radiators
3. a slightly longer wheelbase to cope with the CoG problems
4. Possibility of the Front wing F-Duct
5. AMG Logos

one more innovation
http://mercedesgp-fans.com/web/2011/11/ ... from-2012/

I didn't know that Merc or Brawn GP, however you look at it, have been using double decker radiators since 2009. I thought this year was the first time that they ran it

[marcush.]

rotary dampers are nothing but a packaging vs mechanical performance tradeoff and you will not gain anything on the mechanical side ..Not the road mercedes should follow they need to imprve both aeroand mechanical side so need winwin changes to their carconcept no tradeoffs.

The pullrod concept will find its way to the front of the car ,maybe Mercedes this time first?