Ferrari F2012

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Shakeman
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Maggot wrote:quick comparison.. as the other one one was a bit off with tyres.. all properly scaled in my view.. macca and ferrari seem to be very close on wheelbase..

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I think it's interesting to see the two cars fade between each other and see the very similar exhaust position. They appear to follow a similar line and perhaps trying to do a similar thing with the airflow from around the side pods
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I think it's interesting to see the two cars fade between each other and see the very similar exhaust position. They appear to follow a similar line and perhaps trying to do a similar thing with the airflow from around the side pods
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all of the cars this year will have similar exhaust positions to be fair, also, we havent a clue for sure what direction the final 100mm of exhaust is pointing on either of these cars

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Scarbs Technical Analysis:



However, the greater height beneath the nose does produce increased potential to drive airflow to the leading edge of the sidepods for more downforce.

But it also raises issues with the car's centre of gravity. To make this lower, Ferrari has innovatively opted for a pull-rod front suspension, which places the heavy metal rockers and springs lower down. The team has also reported a small aero gain for this suspension layout.


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I think the driver for the front pull rod choice as the front is a big gain in aero, not cog position.
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Shakeman
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Mchamilton wrote:I think it's interesting to see the two cars fade between each other and see the very similar exhaust position. They appear to follow a similar line and perhaps trying to do a similar thing with the airflow from around the side pods
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all of the cars this year will have similar exhaust positions to be fair, also, we havent a clue for sure what direction the final 100mm of exhaust is pointing on either of these cars[/quote]

I wasn't talking about exhaust gases but controlling the flow of the air coming round the side pods.

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shelly wrote:I think the driver for the front pull rod choice as the front is a big gain in aero, not cog position.
I wonder whether Massa's ability to destroy front suspension, rumours of very very fancy interlinking strategies and running pullrod rear have any bearing on the pullrod front, rather than CoG or aero packaging.
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Interesting double sidepod vanes as well. Probably not worth a lot but quite a simple thing for teams to employ on their car. They also ditched the stepped central section of the beam wing which McLaren just got on their car which is never a good feeling lol.
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The slotted turning vane around the sidepod is new for this year, right? Seems like a pretty smart and easy thing to do to get a bit more efficient flow around the sides.

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This car is the most beautiful ATM for me. Ok the nose is very ugly, but the back =D>

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Shakeman wrote:
Mchamilton wrote:I think it's interesting to see the two cars fade between each other and see the very similar exhaust position. They appear to follow a similar line and perhaps trying to do a similar thing with the airflow from around the side pods
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all of the cars this year will have similar exhaust positions to be fair, also, we havent a clue for sure what direction the final 100mm of exhaust is pointing on either of these cars
I wasn't talking about exhaust gases but controlling the flow of the air coming round the side pods.[/quote]

ah right okay, i dont believe any team will be using the exhaust gases to control any mass flow, rather to assist downforce from a certain part of the rear (wing, brake ducts etc)

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i see it has red wheel nuts on one side and blue on the other, if they were attached to the wheel like the mercedes team tried last year would they be allowed under the rule of wheels not allowed to be handed left or right..?

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Gridlock wrote:
shelly wrote:I think the driver for the front pull rod choice as the front is a big gain in aero, not cog position.
I wonder whether Massa's ability to destroy front suspension, rumours of very very fancy interlinking strategies and running pullrod rear have any bearing on the pullrod front, rather than CoG or aero packaging.
Alonso drove the front pullrod suspensioned Minardi PS01 back in the day. The only comments I've come across on the internet say that the PS01 was "surprisingly quick". But in what way I don't know. Apparently it's engine was a dog. So was the PS01 aero/downforce quick, or was it handling/mechanically quick? I guess we'll have to wait for later on in the season to find out if there's any advantage or disadvantage to an all pullrod suspension.

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Crucial_Xtreme wrote:Scarbs Technical Analysis:



However, the greater height beneath the nose does produce increased potential to drive airflow to the leading edge of the sidepods for more downforce.

But it also raises issues with the car's centre of gravity. To make this lower, Ferrari has innovatively opted for a pull-rod front suspension, which places the heavy metal rockers and springs lower down. The team has also reported a small aero gain for this suspension layout.


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Hmmm,
lower torsion bar springs and rockers but higher drivers legs which probably weight more....So I can't buy into CoG position.
More than likely easier to package an inerter in the front suspension under the drivers legs than over them.

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