Ferrari F2012

[beelsebob]

The scale is off though. This is a better one:
http://mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=srch&ch1=23&ch2=2

If that is a true comparison, how come the 2012 nose is no lower than the 2011 nose?

The F2012 nose is certainly lower than the 150 Italia, whether that comparison is correct or not. Here is said site and it looks lower to me.

Not compared to the actual tip of the F150°

[C Plinius Secundus]

Benvenuto compatriota!
Well, today FIA has published the new regulations for the front wing -> we can't see wings as flexible as last year. So I'd say that the problem doesn't exist.

Grazie mille, compatriota!

I just wonder how many more appendixes, clarifications, addendum, and so on, will the FIA release during this winter.

Charlie Whiting's keyboard must be glowing red hot!

If the spring doesn't come early, they will drown the teams in a pile of papers.

[bonjon1979]

Hello everyone. I've been a long time reader, always enjoyed the site and its board, and this is my first post.

As an Italian, hence a Ferrari fan, I'd love the F2012 to be a championship car, but just by looking at its pictures, it raises me many questions… For instance, that "needle" nose cone, will it flex and provide ground effect for the front wing?, will it last a whole race without cracking or breaking? (remember the fluttering and harmonic resonance in the front wing Ferrari experienced late last season?)

Will the team be able to make a hole in the nose bump, and redirect that air to the side pods or the floor of the car? (something like the 2008 nose hole).

My affection for Ferrari has never impaired my judgement, if they failed to produce a winning car in recent years, it wasn't due to bad luck, or esoteric conspiracies, but in their lack of ideas and courage to innovate.

"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves, that we are underlings"

Benvenuto compatriota!
Well, today FIA has published the new regulations for the front wing -> we can't see wings as flexible as last year. So I'd say that the problem doesn't exist.

Have they? What are the new rules?

[jordangp]

Havn't got the rule on me, but basically its 100kg on the endplates, and its only allowed to flex by 10mm, whereas before it has been 20mm.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Havn't got the rule on me, but basically its 100kg on the endplates, and its only allowed to flex by 10mm, whereas before it has been 20mm.

The new rule is 200kg on the endplates with 10mm of movement. The rule last year was 100kg with 20mm of movement.

@Jordan no worries mate, I figured as much. Happens to the best of us. )

[jordangp]

Havn't got the rule on me, but basically its 100kg on the endplates, and its only allowed to flex by 10mm, whereas before it has been 20mm.

The new rule is 200kg on the endplates with 10mm of movement. The rule last year was 100kg with 20mm of movement.

Yeah sorry, typo

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Ferrari F2012 Exhaust position. Looks angled up 10° or more. Pic is too big to put here so I provided link.

[yace]

Ferrari F2012 Exhaust position. Looks angled up 10° or more. Pic is too big to put here so I provided link.

the area in blue seems to be a cover. i won't be surprised if the final exhaust place will be there.



i don't belive the exhausts will stay there because they will destroy the tyres

[Lycoming]

I'm not too confidant about this design... front pullrod with a high nose... that sharp transition on the nose... Well, testing will show the true story but I too am struggling to see the advantage of pullrod front.

Pullrod is typically used where it gives you some sort of packaging advantage, as it tends to make the upright heavier. They might be able to move things a bit lower inside the nosecone, but there appears to be no major aero advantage in doing so like there is with rear pullrod. and even in terms of lowering CoG, I don't see a large advantage in it, even in F1 terms. there isn't much room to shift things around in there.

[she_spools_180]

I'm not too confidant about this design... front pullrod with a high nose... that sharp transition on the nose... Well, testing will show the true story but I too am struggling to see the advantage of pullrod front.

Pullrod is typically used where it gives you some sort of packaging advantage, as it tends to make the upright heavier. They might be able to move things a bit lower inside the nosecone, but there appears to be no major aero advantage in doing so like there is with rear pullrod. and even in terms of lowering CoG, I don't see a large advantage in it, even in F1 terms. there isn't much room to shift things around in there.

How do you figure? And just to clarify, that we are talking about the same thing, the upright is the piece that all suspension components, tie-rod/track-rod attach to, as well as the wheel hub etc.?

[lombers]

i don't belive the exhausts will stay there because they will destroy the tyres

That's not true, if you look at the pictures earlier in this thread from the rear of the car you will see the exhausts are actually angled inwards. I doubt they will cause any negative effect on the tyres assuming this position does not change.

[Raptor22]

I expect Mercedes to have a similar exhast position.
McLaren's is also similar with the idea to dump the hot gases into the rear of teh car where it expands and energises the flow off the floor and pulling more gas out of the diffusor. Its less effective than EBD but its better than nothing,

[raymondu999]

i don't belive the exhausts will stay there because they will destroy the tyres

That's not true, if you look at the pictures earlier in this thread from the rear of the car you will see the exhausts are actually angled inwards. I doubt they will cause any negative effect on the tyres assuming this position does not change.

upwards too. The exhausts have to be angled upwards don't forget.

Could Ferrari be aiming to accelerate the airflow over the side pods, and over the downwards exhaust cover, so that at higher speeds it pushes the plume down, and possibly getting aimed at the "brake duct" fins? It could be the reason they have the canards in front of the side pods

[MIKEY_!]

I like your thinking with that last part.

[raymondu999]

Given the exhausts are fixed on a sprung part, and the brake ducts aren't really sprung, I'd be very interested to see that solution. It could be quite disastrous from a drivability point of view, but if the car needs a special line to get the maximum out of the car, there aren't many better than Alonso for that.

Accelerating the airflow over the side pods would probably cause lift in themselves, but it could be offset by the downforce provided by the ducts.