On the final day of winter testing at Jerez de la Frontera, Ferrari's Fernando Alonso was the fastest man on track despite spending quite some time in the garage due to car problems. The Spaniard was followed by Toro Rosso's Jean-Eric Vergne and Red Bull's Sebastian Vettel.
richard_leeds wrote:mun - you're contradicting yourself. That double negative in the first part of your sentence is opposite to the second part.munudeges wrote:there is no chance whatsoever that they are not getting any hand-me-downs
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I'm sure the brilliant resurgence they had last season was all as a result of their own hard work and graft.
I guess it means you will be proven correct whatever the truth!
That is why the rules are stupid. This is getting ridiculous. RBR can have a sister team for training its young drivers. Wow. They can test as many parts & ideas they want with STR. Maybe STF can run a double floor all season & IF RBR likes it they can use it next.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:HmmmMr.S wrote:Toro Rosso has been the most impressive car if you look the times & their history & budget.
Can anyone actually say that Torro Rosso are really independant of Red Bull?
On paper possibly to squeeze into the rules. But I think it nmore plausible that RB engineers have thought of something in the last 2 years, and instead of trying it on the RB they give it to STR....
Cant prove it of course, just my opinion there.
this is take out of the context. Read the whole intervew. He says the car is all new and they need to learn so many things. He sais they slowly begin to understand it and over the 4 days of the test they were making steady progress. So, wait and see ..... Last they looked vry good in testing and then......Maynard G. Krebs wrote:I think this passes for Alonso not being happy:
"We will arrive to Barcelona much more prepared than how we arrived in Jerez. That is what Pat also tried to say yesterday: we arrived in Jerez thinking about one idea of the car, and maybe it was not exactly like that."
That doesn't means nothing, one thing is getting an accurate ideia, other thing is getting a precise ideia, this car is completely new in concept so they need to understand everything to begin with "advanced" setup and fine tuning.mekanikal_grip wrote:vall wrote:the car is all new and they need to learn so many things.[/qoute]
With the level of simulation the top teams have, cfd, windtunnels, simulators etc thats pretty poor.
Wonder what Luca M would have to say about that,...
Fastest Time per Team - Jerez
01 - 1m17.613s - Mercedes (Wed, Rosberg - 347 laps over 3 days)*
02 - 1m18.419s - +0.8 - Lotus (Wed, Grosjean - 402 laps over 4 days)
08 - 1m18.877s - +1.3 - Ferrari (Fri, Alonso - 270 laps over 4 days)
03 - 1m19.184s - +1.6 - Red Bull (Tue, Webber - 296 laps over 4 days)
04 - 1m19.464s - +1.9 - McLaren (Wed, Hamilton - 311 laps over 4 days)
05 - 1m19.587s - +2.0 - Toro Rosso (Tue, Ricciardo - 316 laps over 4 days)
06 - 1m19.770s - +2.2 - Sauber (Wed, Perez - 298 laps over 4 days)
07 - 1m19.772s - +2.2 - Force India (Mon, di Resta - 306 laps over 4 days)**
09 - 1m20.132s - +2.5 - Williams (Fri, Senna - 372 laps over 4 days)
10 - 1m21.518s - +3.9 - Caterham (Tue, Kovalainen - 358 laps over 4 days)
11 - 1m22.128s - +4.5 - HRT (Tue, de La Rosa - 108 laps over 2 days)*
* 2011 car
** note, Force India only set times on 3 days due to Bianchi's crash, but they were always scheduled for 4 days
Average amount of laps per day
115 laps - Mercedes (2011 car)
100 laps - Lotus
93 laps - Williams
89 laps - Caterham
79 laps - Toro Rosso
77 laps - McLaren
77 laps- Force India
74 laps - Sauber
74 laps - Red Bull
67 laps - Ferrari
54 laps - HRT (2011 car)
They say the car is all new, but what is more new about it than what the other teams are doing? Everybody has to deal with new exhaust and new noses. Every team has revised and updated the other components. Caterham has KERS for the first time and a new transmission too, but they seem to be running pretty consistently. Several teams are apparently using the pull-rod suspension now.vall wrote:this is take out of the context. Read the whole intervew. He says the car is all new and they need to learn so many things. He sais they slowly begin to understand it and over the 4 days of the test they were making steady progress. So, wait and see ..... Last they looked vry good in testing and then......Maynard G. Krebs wrote:I think this passes for Alonso not being happy:
"We will arrive to Barcelona much more prepared than how we arrived in Jerez. That is what Pat also tried to say yesterday: we arrived in Jerez thinking about one idea of the car, and maybe it was not exactly like that."
Pirelli tyres complete 14,949 kilometres of testing
Testing facts & numbers
Friday 10 February 2012
Pirelli supplied 1176 tyres for the first Formula One test of the 2012 season, held at the Jerez circuit in the south of Spain over four days. A total of 3380 laps were covered by 23 drivers – equating to 14,949 kilometres.
The new P Zero White medium tyre completed the most running in Spain with 1776 laps run (91 sets used), followed by the new P Zero Yellow soft with 1010 laps run (57 sets used) and the P Zero Silver hard with 594 laps run (33 sets used). Although the new Pirelli Cinturato Green intermediate tyre and Pirelli Cinturato Blue tyre was brought to Spain, it was not used as the weather stayed dry despite ambient temperatures that dipped to as low as -2 degrees centigrade.
The 2012 tyres performed in line with expectations at Jerez, but with most teams running brand new cars in different phases of development, it was hard to draw firm conclusions about relative performance.
Pirelli’s motorsport director Paul Hembery said: “The tyres performed exactly in line with our expectations here in Jerez. We’ve had a very positive reaction from the drivers and teams so far, who have reported more grip at the rear, fewer ‘marbles’ and a reduced lap time difference between the compounds as well as faster overall performance – which is precisely what we wanted. We’re happy with the level of degradation and we had no issues, as was the case for all of last year. But as the temperatures in Jerez were very low and the teams have also concentrated on other areas than tyres, it’s too early to draw any detailed conclusions. We’ll see more tyre development work at the next test in Barcelona, as together with the teams, we fully understand the implications of the latest rules. However, with all three of our available slick tyres having set a fastest time, it’s a clear sign that we are on course to meet our objectives.”
Lotus driver Kimi Räikkonen – who last drove on Pirelli tyres in the 2010 World Rally Championship – set the pace on the opening day, with a spectacular return to Formula One thanks to a time of 1m19.670s on the P Zero White medium tyre.
Mercedes were quickest on the second and third days using their 2011 car. Michael Schumacher lowered the benchmark to 1m18.561s on day two with the P Zero Silver hard tyre and Nico Rosberg set a time of 1m17.631s on day three with the P Zero Yellow soft: the best time over all four days.
The Jerez test ended with Ferrari’s Fernando Alonso going quickest with a time of 1m18.877s on the final day, again using the soft tyre.
Testing facts:
- During comparison runs between the new medium and the new hard tyre on day one, there was a difference of between 0.4-0.5 seconds, with better grip and less wear: particularly at the rear.
- The driver to complete the most laps at Jerez was Kimi Räikkonen, who racked up 192 laps on the soft, medium and hard over the first two days: nearly the equivalent of three grands prix.
- Most teams started off with short runs initially, before trying longer runs and race simulations for the first time as they expanded their development programmes.
- The top times on all four days comfortably beat the benchmark established at the last test in Jerez one year ago, where Rubens Barrichello went fastest for Williams with a time of 1m19.832s.
Testing numbers:
- Total number of sets brought to Jerez: 294 sets which equals 1176 tyres
- Of which soft tyres: 71 sets
- Of which Medium tyres: 105 sets
- Of which Hard tyres: 43 sets
- Of which Intermediate tyres: 38 sets
- Of which Wet tyres: 37 sets
- Total amount of sets used: 181
- Of which soft tyres: 57 sets
- Of which Medium tyres: 91 sets
- Of which Hard tyres: 33 sets
- Of which Intermediate tyres: 0 sets
- Of which Wet tyres: 0 sets
- Longest run: 26 laps on the hard compound, 27 laps (medium), 20 laps (soft)
- Highest / lowest ambient temperature over four days: 20 °C / -2 °C
- Highest / lowest track temperature over four days: 26 °C / 0 °C
Tyre summary:
Day 1
1. Räikkönen 1’19"670 on Medium New
2. Di Resta 1’19"772 on Medium New
3. Rosberg 1’20"219 on Soft New
Day 2
1.Schumacher 1’18’’561 on Hard New
2. Webber 1’19’’184 on Soft New
3. Ricciardo 1’19’’587 on Soft New
Day 3
1. Rosberg 1’17’’631 on Soft New
2. Grosjean 1’18’’419 on Medium New
3. Vettel 1’19’’297 on Soft New
Day 4
1. Alonso 1’18"877 on Soft New
2. Vergne 1’19"597 on Soft New
3. Vettel 1’19"606 on Medium New
Ferrari is working with 100% pull rod suspension this year while last year it was all 100% push rod, aero wise they changed their philosophy very much and in all departaments have been made modifications so it's normal it takes a while to things settle down, until Melbourne many thing will change.Maynard G. Krebs wrote: They say the car is all new, but what is more new about it than what the other teams are doing? Everybody has to deal with new exhaust and new noses. Every team has revised and updated the other components. Caterham has KERS for the first time and a new transmission too, but they seem to be running pretty consistently. Several teams are apparently using the pull-rod suspension now.
