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Team: Tim Goss (Director of Engineering), Paddy Lowe (TD), Neil Oatley (DRD), Martin Whitmarsh (TP), Jonathan Neale (MD), Sam Michael (SD)
Drivers: Jenson Button (3), Lewis Hamilton (4)
Team name: Vodafone McLaren Mercedes
Yeah the Red Bull and Lotus definitely still have at least cold blowing going on. <Deity of your choice> knows how they're still doing that - I thought the throttle maps were supposed to ban this now?JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:12m:06s
I swear thats a mighty long over run....
Why only (lotus)Renault and Red Bull, not Williams or Caterham making this sound?
The McLarens Merc unit is positively wailing in comaprison to the Renault.
I have to say that the Renault engine has a definitely different sound to it off-throttle. Which could be some kind of cold blowing or it could be that's just how the engine sounds. If you watch at the end of the video you'll hear that the Williams has exactly the same engine note as the Red Bull (I closed my eyes and tried to call the difference out to my girlfriend 'that's the red bull, that's the williams'...'which is the red bull?' 'the one with the yellow bit on the nose...etc' (she really loves me). It turns out that they sound exactly the same - so if Red bull are up to no good, then williams will be up to the same shennanigans so we'll see them both at the front?myurr wrote:Yeah the Red Bull and Lotus definitely still have at least cold blowing going on. <Deity of your choice> knows how they're still doing that - I thought the throttle maps were supposed to ban this now?JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:12m:06s
I swear thats a mighty long over run....
Why only (lotus)Renault and Red Bull, not Williams or Caterham making this sound?
The McLarens Merc unit is positively wailing in comaprison to the Renault.
Could it be that the driver is now keeping their foot on the throttle but pressing a button to retard the ignition? A kind of manual version of what they were doing last year?
What's stopping them from (in quali - in the races it wouldn't be realistic) using the clutch for that?myurr wrote:Could it be that the driver is now keeping their foot on the throttle but pressing a button to retard the ignition? A kind of manual version of what they were doing last year?
However, he did say that the car did feel different at the rear end without the extra downforce provided by the now-outlawed blown diffuser.
"The car is different. Last year we had so much support and stability, particularly in the high-speed corners, but now we're having to find that grip," he said.
"We'll take grip off the front and try to offload it to the rear somehow. But I think the baseline that we have is something we can really work with."
Did Button say they had more df in high speed corners?Hamilton also added that Pirelli's new tyres offered "more life" than their predecessors and suggested that McLaren's only issue to date is that their simulator had not been set up accordingly.
"There's a couple of small things in the car that we have. There are no real problems, it's just different in driving with the tyres and everything," he said.
"I tested in the simulator and it's a little bit different to what it is in the simulator. We'll go back and adjust the simulator to what it's like in real life."
Good point, all of the teams were pacing themselves consistently or varying the pace like McLaren so its hard to take an observation like this seriously in testing. Barcelona should give a better guide to how quickly they can get on the throttle.Shakeman wrote:I was watching the live times and Lewis was doing fast laps then slow laps quite regularly during testing. That could've been one of those slow laps.
no. Jenson made a comment that the car felt good in high speed corners in the sim, this was before testing got started.raymondu999 wrote:Button said the car felt fantastic in high downforce now. And Lewis is saying the opposite?
Slightly off topic however, isn't a simulator worth 3 pre season tests (example 2009, 2010, 2011) thus being more of a waste then the old system of all year testing?ell66 wrote:no. Jenson made a comment that the car felt good in high speed corners in the sim, this was before testing got started.raymondu999 wrote:Button said the car felt fantastic in high downforce now. And Lewis is saying the opposite?
Hamilton has always used this technique. He does a fast lap extracting everything he can from the tyres and then does a slow lap to let them cool off. You'll see him doing it in qualifying when they do more than one run, and frequently during the practice sessions.ianwit wrote:Good point, all of the teams were pacing themselves consistently or varying the pace like McLaren so its hard to take an observation like this seriously in testing. Barcelona should give a better guide to how quickly they can get on the throttle.Shakeman wrote:I was watching the live times and Lewis was doing fast laps then slow laps quite regularly during testing. That could've been one of those slow laps.
In 2009 simulator was a disaster and this resulted in a dogHail22 wrote: Slightly off topic however, isn't a simulator worth 3 pre season tests (example 2009, 2010, 2011) thus being more of a waste then the old system of all year testing?