Ferrari F2012

[bhall]

He's using the same concept as the now-closed loophole that allowed double diffusers. Strictly speaking, there's no hole in the floor because the opening is covered. As I said, though, that loophole is closed.

[Hush]

Heres my idea. Tried to sketch it up here this evening.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/85 ... ridea.jpg/

Can you get the idea??

Anyone know if this is legal???

This example uses the air that comes around the coke bottle but you could also direct the hot air outlets of the sidepods to the holes.

The floor is still only one piece and theres no holes in it.

I'm obviously missing what you're saying because it looks to be a hole there. Could you explain the thought again?

Yeah. I'm not following either.

What I think he means is a duct like the RB7 had which blew through the starter hole.

Anyway, a duct there would be obstructed by the pull rod.

[Hail22]

Rory Byrne is Adrian Neweys Kryptonite, knowing him he was embedded in Thailand with the technical regulations and found a way to interpret it in a manner that would pass all legitimate rulings.

He isn't foreign to the concept of "Bending" the rules i will leave you all to think about what i'm suggesting.

We will more than likely see at Barca 2 the new Wafer thing Fry/Byrne floor.

[Holm86]

Heres my idea. Tried to sketch it up here this evening.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/85 ... ridea.jpg/

Can you get the idea??

Anyone know if this is legal???

This example uses the air that comes around the coke bottle but you could also direct the hot air outlets of the sidepods to the holes.

The floor is still only one piece and theres no holes in it.

I'm obviously missing what you're saying because it looks to be a hole there. Could you explain the thought again?

Its just like ferrari did (i believe 2 years ago??) with their gills over the exhaust. The rule said no gills and only 1 hole and thats where the exhaust exits. Ferrari made a small slit through the gill down to the exhaust hole and now its just one hole.

Ive done the same ... theres a slit from the edge of the floor connecting to the "hole". This means that theres no hole. Just a complicatet edge of the floor.

Take alook at this shot from underneath the floor.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84 ... idea2.jpg/

Theres no hole ....

[Holm86]

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/83 ... idea3.jpg/

[Holm86]

Heres my idea. Tried to sketch it up here this evening.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/85 ... ridea.jpg/

Can you get the idea??

Anyone know if this is legal???

This example uses the air that comes around the coke bottle but you could also direct the hot air outlets of the sidepods to the holes.

The floor is still only one piece and theres no holes in it.

I'm obviously missing what you're saying because it looks to be a hole there. Could you explain the thought again?

Yeah. I'm not following either.

What I think he means is a duct like the RB7 had which blew through the starter hole.

Anyway, a duct there would be obstructed by the pull rod.

Its just at sketch ... The inlet could be moved more forwards so it wouldnt interfere with the suspension.
Theres plenty of room on the new cars ...

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Heres my idea. Tried to sketch it up here this evening.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/85 ... ridea.jpg/

Can you get the idea??

Anyone know if this is legal???

This example uses the air that comes around the coke bottle but you could also direct the hot air outlets of the sidepods to the holes.

The floor is still only one piece and theres no holes in it.

Its just like ferrari did (i believe 2 years ago??) with their gills over the exhaust. The rule said no gills and only 1 hole and thats where the exhaust exits. Ferrari made a small slit through the gill down to the exhaust hole and now its just one hole.

Ive done the same ... theres a slit from the edge of the floor connecting to the "hole". This means that theres no hole. Just a complicatet edge of the floor.

Take alook at this shot from underneath the floor.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84 ... idea2.jpg/

Theres no hole ....

Edit: Now that I see under the floor I understand what you're saying. Thanks!

How much airflow could get underneath the floor I wonder?

[hardingfv32]

Exhausts can probably be redirected down using outer flow and maybe Coanda effect. Some arrangements tried in Jerez by Ferrari, Sauber and McLaren suggest that.

These ideas have not been demonstrated with any sound science.

Brian

[hardingfv32]

Its just like ferrari did (i believe 2 years ago??) with their gills over the exhaust. The rule said no gills and only 1 hole and thats where the exhaust exits.

I believe it was Mercedes and the size of the exhaust opening was not specified.

Are you proposing a slit from the starter hole to some other location? If so you are now stuck with a very small specified starter hole size, current rules, that is going to be of limited value once you get to where you want it.

Brian

[Holm86]

Its just like ferrari did (i believe 2 years ago??) with their gills over the exhaust. The rule said no gills and only 1 hole and thats where the exhaust exits.

I believe it was Mercedes and the size of the exhaust opening was not specified.

Are you proposing a slit from the starter hole to some other location? If so you are now stuck with a very small specified starter hole size, current rules, that is going to be of limited value once you get to where you want it.

Brian

No look at my picture from underneath the floor. The slit just goes to the side edge of the floor. Not the starter hole.

[Redragon]

[img]http://jorgelizalde.co.uk/ferrrari ... .jpg[/img]

A bit early on this thread i pointed out this holes, might help with this discussion of the air sidepots flow

[Redragon]

Also what it is this that I just hight light on the picture. It is not on the right hand side of the car. Maybe it is to benefit df from the exhauts

[img]http://jorgelizalde.co.uk/ferrrari ... 3.jpg[img]

[hardingfv32]

No look at my picture from underneath the floor. The slit just goes to the side edge of the floor. Not the starter hole.

I think if you read the rules carefully that you will find that the floor is described using perimeter dimensions and there is no exception for a hole that you are proposing. They are describing a 'zone' using exterior dimensions. Your zone with a hole in it would require much more complicated dimensions.

The stewards will not accept a 'contorted' rule interpretation.

Brian

[dren]

Those headers would have to take some funky bends and routing to exit where they do given the cover shape.

[Pierce89]

Its just like ferrari did (i believe 2 years ago??) with their gills over the exhaust. The rule said no gills and only 1 hole and thats where the exhaust exits.

I believe it was Mercedes and the size of the exhaust opening was not specified.

Are you proposing a slit from the starter hole to some other location? If so you are now stuck with a very small specified starter hole size, current rules, that is going to be of limited value once you get to where you want it.

Brian

Mercedes used the "1 hole" set of gills with the slit connecting them last year, but Ferrari showed up with them in Bahrain in 2010