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[PlatinumZealot]

Redbull Sabuer and Mclaren are all similar. Just slightly different geometries.

I think it's interesting that Horner says there new exhaust was conceptualised about a month ago. That is about the same time the Mclaren was unvieled wasn't it? I actually believe now, based on the time of unveiling, that Mclaren and Sauber exhausts are original Ideas, and that the RedBull's is a copy of the Mclaren's but by coincidience it looks like that on the Sauber.

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[marekk]

Scaled up section of the pylons

I think pylons are perfectly OK in this picture, at least on the outside.

We've had in last years flexi wing thread some nice pictures of broken RB7's FW with strange cables hanging out - my idea was they are used to pre-tension FW.
Maybe they'll broke once more after visiting gravel trap.
If that's true then we see RB's FW in it's raw (as it goes off the mould) configuration - without any pre-tension applied.

[raymondu999]

I actually believe now, based on the time of unveiling, that Mclaren and Sauber exhausts are original Ideas, and that the RedBull's is a copy of the Mclaren's but by coincidience it looks like that on the Sauber.

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Possible - but it doesn't really matter now how the idea came about IMO. They've copied it/conceptualised it themselves; the fact of the matter is they're now testing it as a viable solution to be implemented on their car

[jammer84_03]

We've had in last years flexi wing thread some nice pictures of broken RB7's FW with strange cables hanging out - my idea was they are used to pre-tension FW.
Maybe they'll broke once more after visiting gravel trap.
If that's true then we see RB's FW in it's raw (as it goes off the mould) configuration - without any pre-tension applied.

The thing no one EVER mentions when they refer to the flexi-wings is how middle of the wing always seems to stay in exactly the same location no matter how much the front and rear beams move.

Makes me think there is some sort of cable driven system in the front, or even an elastic band of some sort in the rear portion of the pillar supporting the wing. Like you said, there has been pics of the cables showing on previous damaged wings, but I would be more interested in seeing just a partially damaged nose cone to get a look and see if there are any mechanical pieces as far a pulleys lurking in that part of the structure.

The way I have always imagined it, there is a cable that runs both down the front and rear of the pillar. In the center is a part of the structure that both cables rest on. I would say there is no pre-tension on the front cable per say, but on the piece resting between them, perhaps a rigid spring. Now once the Air starts flowing over the front of the wing and pressing down on it, the cable from the front part of the pillar allows the front part of the wing to flex down as the mechanism retracts back. At the same time this would make the rear cable "pull" the rear of the wing up. I will probably have to draw something up to illustrate what I am imagining.



This could also account for why in some shots, the nose seems to be flexing. This could be due to to a "limiting strap" effect when the front or rear cable reach their maximum travel, but the force pushing down on the wing causes the nose to give a bit.

[jammer84_03]

And to add to that, the way that people always thought that a electrical field was applied to allow the carbon to flex, I was thinking along the lines of a mass dampener kind of solution with the use of magnetorheological suspension technology.

Follow my logic for a second. Lets say there is a spring that is holding the fulcrum in place to keep the tension on the cables. It would be engineered in a way to allow the stewards to use a resistance test to make sure the wing isn't flexing. Now to bypass this, a very small electric current is applied to the M.S.T that they have in place, not allowing the spring to compress during the test. However there could be a trip switch that once the car is started, the current running to the cylinder of fluid would turn off, thus allowing the spring to move freely. It wouldn't take much of a current to keep that fluid suspended, and that could somehow be masked within the KERS system, and allow for enough charge to remain, to keep the car ready to be tested over parc ferme.

[PlatinumZealot]

But no mechanical movement devices such as cables, pivots,gears, any kind of spring, levers, flextures, wheels, pulleys etc are allowed.


When the examiner looks inside the wing he should only see rigid materials. And when he tests the wing it should pass the deflection requirements.

[joseff]

... I actually believe now, based on the time of unveiling, that Mclaren and Sauber exhausts are original Ideas, and that the RedBull's is a copy of the Mclaren's but by coincidience it looks like that on the Sauber.

The mounting points of the lower wishbone appear to be purposely placed to clear the ducts. I believe they were prepared to do the exhaust mods all along.

[jammer84_03]

But no mechanical movement devices such as cables, pivots,gears, any kind of spring, levers, flextures, wheels, pulleys etc are allowed.


When the examiner looks inside the wing he should only see rigid materials. And when he tests the wing it should pass the deflection requirements.

This could all be contained in a very small amount of space. Think of a spring about the size of a valve spring, and the fulcrum piece being roughly the same size with a channel or groove down the middle for the cable to slide into. This could easily be hidden in the Carbon Fiber with maybe a little hump in the front of the nose cone or a bit that runs the entire length of the cone.

[hollus]

OK...i dont want to offend anyone's intelligence but "i think" from the video, it looks like it has a small angle.
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/videos/1907/ ... -exhausts/

In that video, at 0:41 and at 0:53 one can see that the floor is parallel to the ground and relatively high. Yet at 0:43 one can see the tea-tray dragging in the tarmac.
Did the tea-tray and the front wing break at the same time?

I didn't want to point to the obvious myself, but Marekk did it for me:

We've had in last years flexi wing thread some nice pictures of broken RB7's FW with strange cables hanging out - my idea was they are used to pre-tension FW.
Maybe they'll broke once more after visiting gravel trap.
If that's true then we see RB's FW in it's raw (as it goes off the mould) configuration - without any pre-tension applied.

[PlatinumZealot]

But no mechanical movement devices such as cables, pivots,gears, any kind of spring, levers, flextures, wheels, pulleys etc are allowed.


When the examiner looks inside the wing he should only see rigid materials. And when he tests the wing it should pass the deflection requirements.

This could all be contained in a very small amount of space. Think of a spring about the size of a valve spring, and the fulcrum piece being roughly the same size with a channel or groove down the middle for the cable to slide into. This could easily be hidden in the Carbon Fiber with maybe a little hump in the front of the nose cone or a bit that runs the entire length of the cone.

Cheating so blatantly is big risk.

[myurr]

Cheating so blatantly is big risk.

Since when has that stopped Red Bull?

I don't think it's as complex an arrangement as that described, but clearly they're bending the rules (pun intended) with their flexing front wing.

[PlatinumZealot]

I don't think so at all. They don't need such mechanisms to get the wing the flex when the air does it so well.

[jammer84_03]

I don't think so at all. They don't need such mechanisms to get the wing the flex when the air does it so well.

It not the fact that the flow of air does it well, its the tests that simulate that exact event. They still need a way to beat the test of the wing by the stewards.

[illario]

wow i'm stunned by how many brilliant minds are here around f1tch. THANKS TO EVERYONE...
I was trying to find out at what time was that "broken wing" pic taken so i can compare to times done in the track(i failed--not a good excuse, sorry). If times were to be close to 'normal' than it can't be "broken" because they could not have planed the care to do 'normal' times in track while having something broken. Unless times where BAAADDDD it will give me the freedom to think it was intentional.

[Shafto]

Could we stop deeming everything on every second picture illegal? I see this happening in all the cars threads and it gets so old - all you people that like to act as FIA scrutinizers and make big accusations on these cars that lets not forget are being designed by people who year after year are making the some of the fastest road going machines on this planet.

I would be willing to bet that the designers/engineers know the rules that they are according with and will not intentionally break them - it will be deemed illegal. Having said that the best part of F1 is the designing, I think pushing the rules is how you win! As the FIA continue to try and slow the cars, designers continue to find speed in other areas - very cool.

Anyways, done my rant, This is not sticking up for Red Bull, this is speaking for all threads, I see it in all of them, it is SO BORING!