Scuderia Ferrari 2012

[PlatinumZealot]

Yeah, they are going to copy the Sauber RedBull setup and that will take about a month to design and manufacture. So sadly Ferrari is on the back foot again for the fourth year in a row.

[Italiano]

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2753 ... australia/

Oh goddamnit. What will it take, Ferrari? Must you get a Newey clone before you'll get something right?

God I hope they're just bluffing.

[amouzouris]

so..a recap...basically whats wrong with the car is that its rear end downforce is inferior....the first exhaust solution (on the launch car) is the one that gives the most downforce but makes the car undriveable deu to on/off throttle sensitivity...and Fry said that they are going to try to claw back some downfroce at the rear (25% he said..i suppose thats 25% of the EBD effect) by using some sort of off throttle blowing again....

it is also rumored that the car has worse degradation than last year...i haven't analysed their times..has anyone analysed them and compared them to any other teams??

[lombers]

Here's the link from F1 technical:

http://www.f1technical.net/news/17114

Not good news at all.

[stefan_]

I'm tired of all this rumors, suppositions and people predicting how the car will run after seing some pictures.

[Hail22]

I'm tired of all this rumors, suppositions and people predicting how the car will run after seing some pictures.

And its interesting to see Ferrari allowed Fry to talk to media, this suggests he is talking fluff about the car to turn the attention away from the feud between Alonso and Massa.

Tombazis was very pleased with progress, yet Fry wasn't? quite a difference in views.

We will see in Melbourne but my money is on that Fry is the sheep sent out to the wolves to divert them from the troubles with Alonso V Massa.

Also the Byrne floor was used, there was a photo which have flow vis on it looked very positive.

Final package arrives in Melbourne

[Ratatouille]

Sorry to go off topic...but what feud between Massa v Alonso are you talking about?


Back to the car, it it smells like a duck, walks like a duck, and laps like a duck. It is a duck.

[ringo]

Byrne floor. Aye aye aye!!

Who gave it such a name, what does it do, where is it, did ferrari give a statement confirming that it is being used, what's the difference with a normal floor,
how do you identify it when it was used?
What evidence, if any, such as photos, statements, suggest this is an actual special floor and not an ordinary floor being spun up into something to carry over the ferrari car thread into the season opener?

All these questions need to be answered before we all jump in on this Byrne floor myth.

Relating to the exhausts, they need to lose the coat tails off the sidepods and do a sauber design for a short term solution. This is the easiest to understand path.

I have a feeling their flat top nose coupled with the step, as well as the tails on the side pods are destabilizing the car in some instances.

All in all i am blaming Fry. He brought his mclaren mumbo jumbo to ferrari. Mclaren clearly are recovering from the mumbo jumbo years, and it's no coincidence he's not in the team. He seems to have a way of over complicating things as talented as he is.
The new car screams mclaren over complication, or should i say fry over complication. I think they can solve the problems though. They just need to tone down the side pods and put a redbull vent in the step of the nose to settle the stability. The rest of the chassis is very good. especially the tail and the frontal side pod region.

[Hail22]

Most likely it will be the case, it takes roughly 48 hours to make a new FW from moulding, to baking to stress testing to painting/designing.

Exhaust housings and parts will take roughly what? 4 days?

Its not impossible...but we won't see any Formula 1 cars now until Wednesday week in Melbourne (perhaps except HRT who are believed to have flown the car out early to assemble).


With the floor, it has been "agreed in some part" by the majority that the Byrne Floor is not carbon fibre with a glossy/shiny finish.

With the shine it suggests its not Carbon Fibre however it could be a plastic composite "Could be"

Its broad speculation but with suggestions that Byrne returned as a consultant to Ferrari he is powerful in two areas (Interpretation of the rules, and floors).

[radosav]

i didn't expect that ferrari will be No1 after 12 days of testing. they made their decisions and they did not paid off. if only RBR and Mclaren are faster by only 0.2 sec , ferrari can't fight for podium. i really hope that car isn't made wrong in it's basic design , and that there is space for improvement.

[cossie]

Speed reports that the rumor is Massa has been sacked

At the front of the field in 2012, before a single racing lap has even turned, the well-known Formula One arms-race has already begun.

As the last days of pre-Melbourne testing are counted down in Barcelona, Red Bull and McLaren unveiled major evolutions to their recently-launched new cars.

On the RB8, the major difference was the Sauber-style exhaust, after designer Adrian Newey was reportedly "impressed" with the 2012 solution devised by the Swiss midfield team.

"It's effectively a completely new (Red Bull) car," said the BBC's technical analyst Gary Anderson, according to the Guardian.

The high-profile Red Bull upgrade was the perfect time for McLaren to quietly unveil its own heavily modified car, Germany's Auto Motor und Sport reported.

"Did you see that McLaren have rebuilt half their car?" Force India technical director Andrew Green is quoted as saying.

One new innovation on the MP4-27, apparently, is a Mercedes-like front wing W-duct.

"The upgrade is a major step forward; better than we expected," said Jenson Button.

Elsewhere, the noises are not so positive: Ferrari stridently denied internet rumours Felipe Massa has been sacked, and then gagged both the Brazilian and his teammate Fernando Alonso from speaking to the media."The decision has been taken to keep the whole team fully focused on the job and there is not any polemic intent behind it," the team insisted.

[Froggolo]

Byrne floor. Aye aye aye!!

Who gave it such a name, what does it do, where is it, did ferrari give a statement confirming that it is being used, what's the difference with a normal floor,
how do you identify it when it was used?
What evidence, if any, such as photos, statements, suggest this is an actual special floor and not an ordinary floor being spun up into something to carry over the ferrari car thread into the season opener?

All these questions need to be answered before we all jump in on this Byrne floor myth.

Relating to the exhausts, they need to lose the coat tails off the sidepods and do a sauber design for a short term solution. This is the easiest to understand path.

I have a feeling their flat top nose coupled with the step, as well as the tails on the side pods are destabilizing the car in some instances.

All in all i am blaming Fry. He brought his mclaren mumbo jumbo to ferrari. Mclaren clearly are recovering from the mumbo jumbo years, and it's no coincidence he's not in the team. He seems to have a way of over complicating things as talented as he is.
The new car screams mclaren over complication, or should i say fry over complication. I think they can solve the problems though. They just need to tone down the side pods and put a redbull vent in the step of the nose to settle the stability. The rest of the chassis is very good. especially the tail and the frontal side pod region.

i (sadly)agree with ringo,

the Byrne floor, mythologic object advertised by many sites and users,
seems to be in different material rather than carbon,
simply because it is invisible:P

during the tests there were 2 kind of diffusers visibly different,
and the floor didn't show any big difference.
Ok, is more shiny, could have a different kind of finish,
this could also be due to a different kind of carbon fibre what gives different reflections,
but visibly, was nothing clearly "revolutionary" or different
as for example the new RB8 exhausts and floor/diffuser.

[amouzouris]

my thoughts exactly...i think that the byrne floor either doesn't exist...or it changes very little and it was only overly rumored by media, users etc...

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Byrne floor. Aye aye aye!!

Who gave it such a name, what does it do, where is it, did ferrari give a statement confirming that it is being used, what's the difference with a normal floor,
how do you identify it when it was used?
What evidence, if any, such as photos, statements, suggest this is an actual special floor and not an ordinary floor being spun up into something to carry over the ferrari car thread into the season opener?

All these questions need to be answered before we all jump in on this Byrne floor myth.

Relating to the exhausts, they need to lose the coat tails off the sidepods and do a sauber design for a short term solution. This is the easiest to understand path.

I have a feeling their flat top nose coupled with the step, as well as the tails on the side pods are destabilizing the car in some instances.

All in all i am blaming Fry. He brought his mclaren mumbo jumbo to ferrari. Mclaren clearly are recovering from the mumbo jumbo years, and it's no coincidence he's not in the team. He seems to have a way of over complicating things as talented as he is.
The new car screams mclaren over complication, or should i say fry over complication. I think they can solve the problems though. They just need to tone down the side pods and put a redbull vent in the step of the nose to settle the stability. The rest of the chassis is very good. especially the tail and the frontal side pod region.

i (sadly)agree with ringo,

the Byrne floor, mythologic object advertised by many sites and users,
seems to be in different material rather than carbon,
simply because it is invisible:P

during the tests there were 2 kind of diffusers visibly different,
and the floor didn't show any big difference.
Ok, is more shiny, could have a different kind of finish,
this could also be due to a different kind of carbon fibre what gives different reflections,
but visibly, was nothing clearly "revolutionary" or different
as for example the new RB8 exhausts and floor/diffuser.

First off, Byrne has been working on the car & word was he made/designed a new floor. Now other rumors popped up that suggested it was this & that, but that doesn't take away from the fact they ran a new floor & diffuser. Did Byrne make it? I don't know. Don't much care. But don't sit here and act like there was no difference in the floors that were ran. If you would take the time to compare them, you will see that distinctly different floors were used during testing.


@ringo Brian is that you?

[N12ck]

'Ferrari ruling out podiums in early races'
Hmm, maybe there winter is as bad as thought
Source:
http://thef1times.com/news/display/05485